Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

[Cono Este]

And the bat was “high confidence”?

I think it’s safe to at least consider a lab leak now, without insult.

[jono]

So nothing's changed. Got it.

[Bunion 2020]

And so far both agencies have expressed a lower than average confidence in the reports. But I am open to listening to any information. None of it will change very much but ya never know.

[CarlMega]

So nothing's changed. Got it.

Pretty much. No one here is deserves any confidence in our personal speculation. "I knew it!"... I mean, come on. Delusional.

I wish there was something useful that could leveraged from knowledge of the virus origin - and maybe there will be. But so far: protect your population given the threat as we understand it. don't put trust in known bad faith nations/actors. Those hold up.

[californiagrown]

I still dont understand the end game here. Are the gotchya contingent looking for economic reparations? An apology? Realistically what?


At the end of the day, a lab leak is the least scary of the possible causes. That shit is easy to fix/control. Natural mutation and/or cross species infection is the scary cause.

[Cono Este]

I still dont understand the end game here. Are the gotchya contingent looking for economic reparations? An apology? Realistically what?


At the end of the day, a lab leak is the least scary of the possible causes. That shit is easy to fix/control. Natural mutation and/or cross species infection is the scary cause.

Crazy. A million dead, my kids lost 1/2 their high school yrs, we’re jabbed up with vaccines, and it’s a “gotcha” moment when we consider something other than what the PRC, of all countries, feeds us.

[jono]

I still dont understand the end game here. Are the gotchya contingent looking for economic reparations? An apology? Realistically what?


At the end of the day, a lab leak is the least scary of the possible causes. That shit is easy to fix/control. Natural mutation and/or cross species infection is the scary cause.

You seem like you may not fully appreciate the number of bioweapons labs that NATO, the WHO, the USA, the Chinese, the IMF and the Pentaverate have scattered all over the world where they can most easily release bioweapons and poison whichever local population they want to blame. None of which study local threats like the ones you mentioned. At all.

[The AD]

How the hell is this within the Dept of Energy's purview in the first place?

"Jenkins: how is that report on renewable energy coming along? Sorry, sir, I've been busy studying the origins of COVID instead."

[californiagrown]

Crazy. A million dead, my kids lost 1/2 their high school yrs, we’re jabbed up with vaccines, and it’s a “gotcha” moment when we consider something other than what the PRC, of all countries, feeds us.

So, what are you pushing to happen if the Chinese lab was in fact the source of the leak? Im legit curious.

[californiagrown]

How the hell is this within the Dept of Energy's purview in the first place?

They run big scientific labs in America like Lawrence Livermore, etc, and the Energy Department has a special division that, as part of its mission to track and mitigate the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, specializes in the study of biological weapons such as viruses.

[The AD]

They run big scientific labs in America like Lawrence Livermore, etc, and the Energy Department has a special division that, as part of its mission to track and mitigate the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, specializes in the study of biological weapons such as viruses.

Aha.

[sb]

Woody to the white big lie phone.

[Cono Este]

So, what are you pushing to happen if the Chinese lab was in fact the source of the leak? Im legit curious.

I don’t think we should have ever believed the PRC, or anything they say for that matter. I’ve known that since 2005. And I think the assholes who canceled everyone who questioned the PRC’s stupid bat story should have their names printed in the local newspapers? Or wrap them up around a lamp post like Ukraine does and stick soap in their mouths?

I’m open to ideas.

[californiagrown]

I don’t think we should have ever believed the PRC, or anything they say for that matter. I’ve known that since 2005. And I think the assholes who canceled everyone who questioned the PRC’s stupid bat story should have their names printed in the local newspapers? Or wrap them up around a lamp post like Ukraine does and stick soap in their mouths?

I’m open to ideas.

So your only idea is to punish Americans for something the PRC did. Shows where your head is at I guess.

[Cono Este]

Don’t know where you get that from, people who did the bidding for the PRC, should be punished.

How much does the PRC pay you?

[schuss]

Yeah, original cause was always kind of a nothing burger as it's really about what you do as a result. If your actions to contain a virus change based on it's origin instead of the symptoms and risk, you're a fucking moron.

[Cono Este]

Sure, who cares about the truth? Forget about the 1 million dead Americans and anyone trying to prevent this from happening again. Just mask up!

[goldenboy]

All I know is that if someone tells me that they have low confidence that an avalanche slope is safe to ski, I'm sending it for sure.

[Bunion 2020]

So, what are you pushing to happen if the Chinese lab was in fact the source of the leak? Im legit curious.

He has no idea what he wants other than to be able to say, "I told you so, and it is all the left woke's fault, whatever they did". How do you sign up for that sweet PRC payday?

Yeah it would be nice to know the real story. How will that real story change anything in the way of the outcomes? Will it give his kids 1/2 their school year back? Nope? Bring back all the dead? Nope.

Meanwhile such things lead to stupid shit like this:

A bill to ban donors who have received the COVID-19 vaccination from giving blood will “decimate” blood supply in Montana and leave patients at risk of even death, said opponents of House Bill 645.

“Montana’s blood supply could be cut by up to 80%, leading to adverse patient outcomes including unnecessary and unconscionable death,” said senior vice president of blood collection nonprofit Vitalant, Cliff Numark.

Numark said most blood banks are barely meeting the needs of patients today, and with an 80% reduction in blood supply, procedures for accident victims, pregnancy complications and more mundane blood transfusions would not be possible.

House Bill 645 would ban individuals who received the COVID-19 vaccine from donating blood, making it a misdemeanor with a $500 fine to donate or accept blood from vaccinated donors. The bill would also ban people who have had a diagnosis of “Long COVID,” medically defined as “postacute sequelae of SARS-CoV-2 due to chronic 27 SARS-CoV-2 viral infection.”

[MontuckyFried]

Yeah, original cause was always kind of a nothing burger as it's really about what you do as a result.

A "nothing burger?" Are you for real? It's not a one or the other kind of situation. Scientists absolutely need to try and locate the source of origin for any bug we're combatting in order to better understand it, AND yes, to your point, it's also about what we do as a result. It's BOTH! It's why we've had teams of scientists running around the jungles of the Congo to figure out Ebola since the 70s. The knowledge of virus origination is absolutely important.

Now IF some superbug was created in a lab, don't you think that's kind of freaking important we know that to try and compel said lab to share the data they have on it so the entire world's scientific community can collaboratively work on figuring out out treatments/cures/vaccines ASAP?

Whether it came from a lab or a natural source, sweeping the data under the rug is pretty damn counterproductive toward the end goal of getting this thing figured out once and for all.

[Bunion 2020]

Now IF some superbug was created in a lab, don't you think that's kind of freaking important we know that to try and compel said lab to share the data they have on it so the entire world's scientific community can collaboratively work on figuring out out treatments/cures/vaccines ASAP?

Whether it came from a lab or a natural source, sweeping the data under the rug is pretty damn counterproductive toward the end goal of getting this thing figured out once and for all.

You don't think we know most everything there is to know about this virus by now? Hmmmmm.

[MontuckyFried]

He has no idea what he wants other than to be able to say, "I told you so, and it is all the left woke's fault, whatever they did".

You don't have kids so of course you don't GAF, BUT we're seeing an entire generation of children absolutely screwed up by a society telling them to be afraid of each other, to hide behind their screens, to not be in class for over a year, to not be allowed to play in parks and playgrounds as they were shut down for ages, so on and so forth.

Test scores are more abysmal than ever with previously unthinkable levels of illiteracy and speech delays, socialization issues, anxiety and depression through the roof with young children and teens, the list goes on. My wife works with schools around the country so deals with these issues every day. Some of you have no freaking idea just how bad it is out there. ESPECIALLY in underprivileged communities. I STILL see kids with masks at the store looking at others with panic in their eyes, no doubt instilled by their parents who have been scaring the shit out of them non-stop with fears of COVID and climate change.

An entire generation is permanently screwed up and YES, it IS the woke left's fault. No shit that some of us are pissed. Especially as we were silenced for over a year on DARING to question things that ended up being proven true or at least possible as time goes on. We'd be banned from social media platforms for saying anything against the mainstream narrative. And when as time goes on and much of what we've been saying the entire time ends up being reported on, oh NOW we're allowed to say it? Time and time again. Want me to make a list? It's pretty long. Frustrating to say the least.

At least SOME of us didn't buy into the panic when it came to our children. I never masked my kids. I let them hop the barricades at the city playgrounds to go play. We let them play with others unless one of us was sick (doy). We found a small private school that was attempting to continue life as close to normal for the kids. It has been REALLY hard to raise our kids in a normal, healthy way in a society full of fearful, panicking idiotic adults, but thankfully we've done alright despite it all.

[schuss]

Sure, who cares about the truth? Forget about the 1 million dead Americans and anyone trying to prevent this from happening again. Just mask up!

Let's game this out then for all the possibilities:
1A. A lab leak occurs (which are actually somewhat common, sadly. Here's a sample cite - https://www.economist.com/graphic-de...isingly-common) - given that we're talking about pathogens being released into populations, how likely is it that it's intentional vs. accidental? More likely accidental.
1B. Transmission from animal to human occurs in some manner
1C. A novel mutation of a common virus leads to increased danger
2. We seek to contain the virus.

Regardless of what 1 you choose, 2 is the same. Does the truth matter? Sure. Does it represent any malicious intent? Unlikely.
The reason people are fucking fed up with people pointing to this stuff is that lab leak/China bad stuff was mostly used as a justification for harming random asian citizens and NOT actively working to contain the virus as a "protest". Neither of those actions are productive or effective at dealing with the virus.
Like I said, fucking morons.

To some other points - of course sourcing is important, but it's secondary to containment. It's not like every single lab keeps antidotes for everything they produce handy like in the movies. There are a TON of superbugs in various labs and honestly our care and funding to keep them in the lab is poor, at best.

[MontuckyFried]

You don't think we know most everything there is to know about this virus by now? Hmmmmm.

I'm talking about 2020, but more and more signs are pointing to lab origins. Something that was being silenced back at the beginning, including whistleblower Chinese doctors who got disappeared, but I guess NOW we're allowed to suggest such a thing.

[schuss]

You don't have kids so of course you don't GAF, BUT we're seeing an entire generation of children absolutely screwed up by a society telling them to be afraid of each other, to hide behind their screens, to not be in class for over a year, to not be allowed to play in parks and playgrounds as they were shut down for ages, so on and so forth.

Test scores are more abysmal than ever with previously unthinkable levels of illiteracy and speech delays, socialization issues, anxiety and depression through the roof with young children and teens, the list goes on. My wife works with schools around the country so deals with these issues every day. Some of you have no freaking idea just how bad it is out there. ESPECIALLY in underprivileged communities. I STILL see kids with masks at the store looking at others with panic in their eyes, no doubt instilled by their parents who have been scaring the shit out of them non-stop with fears of COVID and climate change.

An entire generation is permanently screwed up and YES, it IS the woke left's fault. No shit that some of us are pissed. Especially as we were silenced for over a year on DARING to question things that ended up being proven true or at least possible as time goes on. We'd be banned from social media platforms for saying anything against the mainstream narrative. And when as time goes on and much of what we've been saying the entire time ends up being reported on, oh NOW we're allowed to say it? Time and time again. Want me to make a list? It's pretty long. Frustrating to say the least.

At least SOME of us didn't buy into the panic when it came to our children. I never masked my kids. I let them hop the barricades at the city playgrounds to go play. We let them play with others unless one of us was sick (doy). We found a small private school that was attempting to continue life as close to normal for the kids. It has been REALLY hard to raise our kids in a normal, healthy way in a society full of fearful, panicking idiotic adults, but thankfully we've done alright despite it all.

So what you're saying is that you're an irresponsible asshole who doesn't believe in collective countermeasures for the betterment of society, but would rather prioritize their own feelings over others safety. It tracks.
My kids were never afraid of it, they were just a bit inconvenienced. The reality is that if people like you hadn't been such flouting assholes about it, it wouldn't have blown up like it did. Good job.