Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

[Bunion 2020]

Chill out Austin, I am all for gaining as much info as possible but unless you can get your hands on the docs Delorean you cannot change the past and you cannot say with certainty as to what was the proper response and may I remind you, the steps that were taken during the 1st year of the Pandemic were taken by the Trump administration, were they left and woke?

So what you're saying is that you're an irresponsible asshole who doesn't believe in collective countermeasures for the betterment of society, but would rather prioritize their own feelings over others safety. It tracks.

Yep, 100%

[supermodel159]

So what you're saying is that you're an irresponsible asshole who doesn't believe in collective countermeasures for the betterment of society, but would rather prioritize their own feelings over others safety. It tracks.
My kids were never afraid of it, they were just a bit inconvenienced. The reality is that if people like you hadn't been such flouting assholes about it, it wouldn't have blown up like it did. Good job.

Oh man, this is amazing. What collective countermeasures exactly are you referring to?

[californiagrown]

Now IF some superbug was created in a lab, don't you think that's kind of freaking important we know that to try and compel said lab to share the data they have on it so the entire world's scientific community can collaboratively work on figuring out out treatments/cures/vaccines ASAP?

Whether it came from a lab or a natural source, sweeping the data under the rug is pretty damn counterproductive toward the end goal of getting this thing figured out once and for all.

Agreed with all of this. It may have sped up vaccine production by a few weeks or even a couple months (though the vaccines were produced far too quickly as is for many people). But, from about April 2020 we have known far more about this virus than the original creators knew (if it was infact created in a lab).


I just don't understand what the end game is for pinning the blame on a PRC Wuhan lab. Yeah it would be good to know where it came from for posterity and closure, but functionally what does this allow the world to do? You dont think labs handling sensitive materials got a thorough reinforcing about safety procedures and redundant failsafes? Are people actually thinking it would be realistic to sanction china, or sue them, or...?

[schuss]

Oh man, this is amazing. What collective countermeasures exactly are you referring to?

You know - masking, staying away from people, taking quarantine seriously. I'm not in the mood to relitigate all the shit from 2020.

[bodywhomper]

Updated essay on immune imprinting both from infection, vaxes, and the combo of both

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-00086-1

[summit]

If this came from a lab, I doubt the release was intentional as only a mad-man would think they could predict the outcomes.

Let me tell you what was intentional, whether the lab release is true or not:

Once China knew they had a novel pathogen pandemic budding in Wuhan, it was very evident to the CCP that lockdowns would be required with the attendant economic devastation. If China had to suffer these lockdowns while the rest of the world had time to prepare, then China would comparatively suffer worse. If China instead denied the existence of the pandemic, denied human to human transmission, avoided sharing information, demanded positive media coverage, demanded continued international travel, and pushed 10s of millions of their citizens to travel abroad from the afflicted regions of China, they could guarantee that the calamity would spread quickly across the unprepared globe while China, more adept at draconian pandemic controls, stood a better chance at suffering less than the world and ending up ahead.

Remember, they announced their quarantines days ahead of time while demanding international flights continue... ask travelers in mid/late January what air travel looked like, particularly on the Pacific routes: every seat full, huge proportions of Chinese.

I posted this two years ago regarding labs and what was or was not intentionally done by China.

[old goat]

I don’t think we should have ever believed the PRC, or anything they say for that matter. I’ve known that since 2005. And I think the assholes who canceled everyone who questioned the PRC’s stupid bat story should have their names printed in the local newspapers? Or wrap them up around a lamp post like Ukraine does and stick soap in their mouths?

I’m open to ideas.

You're right about not trusting the PRC. They lied about the Maine. Thy lied about the Gulf of Tonkin. They lied about Iraq's WMDs. That's what govts do--lie. Meanwhile we're still waiting for flu reparations from Spain./s

Updated essay on immune imprinting both from infection, vaxes, and the combo of both

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-00086-1

It's probaby a lucky thing that the first vaccines were against organisms that weren't prone to mutate. If peope who were vaccinated kept getting new strains of smalpox science might have gven up on the concept.

[CarlMega]

An entire generation is permanently screwed up and YES, it IS the woke left's fault.

Two observations I've noticed:

1) people who downplay the health impacts of the virus, simultaneously overplay the the impact of mitigations to their kids, etc
2) people who complain endlessly about irreparable damage about ~ 1.5 years of mitigations, are typically in the same group that downplays ~400 years of slavery & segregation

The logic is.... selective.

[MontuckyFried]

Oh man, this is amazing. What collective countermeasures exactly are you referring to?

I think schuss is referring to creating a society of paranoid, hypochondriatic, anxiety-ridden, psych medicated, anti-social, illiterate, speech-impeded children who are years behind in every known metric.

In 2020, when everybody was acting like this was a "mild inconvenience" to kids, at least SOME of us understood what the true societal consequences would be. This is generally a well-healed crowd, so of course to THEM it was a minor inconvenience. Again, my wife works in impoverished schools around the country in an effort to help them catch up and let me tell you. Many are fukt. The wealth and income gaps many of you bitch about? Well, that's about to get a WHOLE lot worse as we see things play out. Lockdowns didn't effect all you dentist's kids education. It DID setback everyone else though in a vital time in brain development.

Just lookup the news about Baltimore, MD schools to see what I'm talking about and they are NOT alone.

[MontuckyFried]

...and may I remind you, the steps that were taken during the 1st year of the Pandemic were taken by the Trump administration, were they left and woke?

With Fauci running that show. I was NOT ok with how the Trump admin ran things as they were clearly scared about upcoming elections and being held to account for the response. But it was distinctly the LEFT that was all about virtue signaling with the masking, social distancing, etc. The mask became a symbolic badge over time. "I'm doing MY part."

[SumJongGuy]

Two observations I've noticed:

1) people who downplay the health impacts of the virus, simultaneously overplay the the impact of mitigations to their kids, etc
2) people who complain endlessly about irreparable damage about ~ 1.5 years of mitigations, are typically in the same group that downplays ~400 years of slavery & segregation

The logic is.... selective.

QFT!



And taking measures for your health and the health of family/friends seriously under a VERY REAL threat is hardly "virtue signaling"..

[summit]

With Fauci running that show. I was NOT ok with how the Trump admin ran things as they were clearly scared about upcoming elections and being held to account for the response. But it was distinctly the LEFT that was all about virtue signaling with the masking, social distancing, etc. The mask became a symbolic badge over time. "I'm doing MY part."

I think this is accurate, as someone who also thinks the masking absolutely helped even though the public policy and messaging was a mess.

Two observations I've noticed:

1) people who downplay the health impacts of the virus, simultaneously overplay the the impact of mitigations to their kids, etc
2) people who complain endlessly about irreparable damage about ~ 1.5 years of mitigations, are typically in the same group that downplays ~400 years of slavery & segregation

The logic is.... selective.

I agree with you, as someone who believes that:
1. Individuals are psychologically resilient while victim/blame culture holds us back as members of groups.
2. That the long term health impacts of infections prior to vaccines and good treatments are absolutely massive and nowhere near accounted for.

[dunfree]

With Fauci running that show. I was NOT ok with how the Trump admin ran things as they were clearly scared about upcoming elections and being held to account for the response. But it was distinctly the LEFT that was all about virtue signaling with the masking, social distancing, etc. The mask became a symbolic badge over time. "I'm doing MY part."

And the vice signaling right decided to say “Covid is no big deal”. Bitch all you want about school closures, but three years in you still can’t handle how to deal with it at a level of sophistication more than “ignore it entirely”

whether or not it was a wet market spillover, an accidental leak, or a bio weapon, your beshitting yourself changes nothing.

[dunfree]

Signs point that way. But what is the world gonna do about it? Ask China to write a 30trillion dollar IOU?

signs really don’t point that way. Far more public evidence of a transfer at the wet market. But a certain group of people have seized on a single report to champion “they were right”

[SumJongGuy]

signs really don’t point that way. Far more public evidence of a transfer at the wet market. But a certain group of people have seized on a single report to champion “they were right”

Group of people from Rick Perry's Department of umm ummm ooops!

[schuss]

I think schuss is referring to creating a society of paranoid, hypochondriatic, anxiety-ridden, psych medicated, anti-social, illiterate, speech-impeded children who are years behind in every known metric.

In 2020, when everybody was acting like this was a "mild inconvenience" to kids, at least SOME of us understood what the true societal consequences would be. This is generally a well-healed crowd, so of course to THEM it was a minor inconvenience. Again, my wife works in impoverished schools around the country in an effort to help them catch up and let me tell you. Many are fukt. The wealth and income gaps many of you bitch about? Well, that's about to get a WHOLE lot worse as we see things play out. Lockdowns didn't effect all you dentist's kids education. It DID setback everyone else though in a vital time in brain development.

Just lookup the news about Baltimore, MD schools to see what I'm talking about and they are NOT alone.

Most kids are way more terrified of school shootings than viruses, and even though my kids best friends are on the less well-off side, they don't seem germ conscious or anything. They also have done a great job doubling down on development resources so kids have help catching up. I'd believe you actually cared about school funding and efficacy if you weren't hanging with the same crowd that excoriates schools around perceived discussions of CRT or any other bullshit conservative talking points and pushes to defund them.
Fuck off with your false narratives here - if you actually cared about kids, you'd be advocating for increased gun control and increased teacher pay and freedom. I also forgot the part where you're a PhD on the subject. I think all the rhetoric coming from the antivaxxers and their constant spew of absolute garbage misinformation is way more damaging to kids and general discourse than some time-limited lockdowns.

[californiagrown]

signs really don’t point that way. Far more public evidence of a transfer at the wet market. But a certain group of people have seized on a single report to champion “they were right”

thats the other thing that befuddles me. People taking risky uneducated guesses and then wanting to be vindicated and celebrated for being correct.


Its like if someone dropped in on top of you on a high danger day, skied up to you and announced "youre an idiot for being mad, i totally knew that wasnt going to avalanche and kill us all".

[Skidog]

He has no idea what he wants other than to be able to say, "I told you so, and it is all the left woke's fault, whatever they did". How do you sign up for that sweet PRC payday?

Yeah it would be nice to know the real story. How will that real story change anything in the way of the outcomes? Will it give his kids 1/2 their school year back? Nope? Bring back all the dead? Nope.

Meanwhile such things lead to stupid shit like this:

You simply say, PRC, any outstanding debt the USA has with you is null and void. Sorry you done screwed the pooch.

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[Skidog]

You don't think we know most everything there is to know about this virus by now? Hmmmmm.

Not origin, so no. We don't.

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[dunfree]

You simply say, PRC, any outstanding debt the USA has with you is null and void. Sorry you done screwed the pooch.

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default hurts the usa way more

[Skidog]

You don't have kids so of course you don't GAF, BUT we're seeing an entire generation of children absolutely screwed up by a society telling them to be afraid of each other, to hide behind their screens, to not be in class for over a year, to not be allowed to play in parks and playgrounds as they were shut down for ages, so on and so forth.

Test scores are more abysmal than ever with previously unthinkable levels of illiteracy and speech delays, socialization issues, anxiety and depression through the roof with young children and teens, the list goes on. My wife works with schools around the country so deals with these issues every day. Some of you have no freaking idea just how bad it is out there. ESPECIALLY in underprivileged communities. I STILL see kids with masks at the store looking at others with panic in their eyes, no doubt instilled by their parents who have been scaring the shit out of them non-stop with fears of COVID and climate change.

An entire generation is permanently screwed up and YES, it IS the woke left's fault. No shit that some of us are pissed. Especially as we were silenced for over a year on DARING to question things that ended up being proven true or at least possible as time goes on. We'd be banned from social media platforms for saying anything against the mainstream narrative. And when as time goes on and much of what we've been saying the entire time ends up being reported on, oh NOW we're allowed to say it? Time and time again. Want me to make a list? It's pretty long. Frustrating to say the least.

At least SOME of us didn't buy into the panic when it came to our children. I never masked my kids. I let them hop the barricades at the city playgrounds to go play. We let them play with others unless one of us was sick (doy). We found a small private school that was attempting to continue life as close to normal for the kids. It has been REALLY hard to raise our kids in a normal, healthy way in a society full of fearful, panicking idiotic adults, but thankfully we've done alright despite it all.

Hear hear..

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[Skidog]

You know - masking, staying away from people, taking quarantine seriously. I'm not in the mood to relitigate all the shit from 2020.

The masks that the nyt said are ineffective just a couple days back? Oh

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[californiagrown]

You simply say, PRC, any outstanding debt the USA has with you is null and void. Sorry you done screwed the pooch.

Do you see any potential downsides for the USA (and the rest of the western world) if this action was taken?

[MultiVerse]

I'm talking about 2020, but more and more signs are pointing to lab origins. Something that was being silenced back at the beginning, including whistleblower Chinese doctors who got disappeared, but I guess NOW we're allowed to suggest such a thing.

Nothing was ever silenced. That's total nonsense. People did push back on the zero-evidence conspiracy theories but anytime there was actual evidence to discuss, people discussed it. If somebody makes something up out of pure fabrication or fiction and later somebody else comes along with actual evidence that doesn't make the first person right all along.

[jono]

The logic at the time was pretty solid, though:

Lab leak, therefore not natural disease just an engineered bioweapon, therefore an attack.

Since it was an attack, do nothing, just ignore it and let the weapon perform as intended.

It was a good plan.