Climate Change

[SumJongGuy]

This type of hyperbole isn’t helpful. It is unlikely anytime in our lifetimes that skiing is unsustainable in the US below 10k. Later opens, more rain, earlier closes, sure. The rain snow line has been gradually rising here in the Sierra and that is going to continue barring a massive external event (volcano, meteor, nuclear war, etc.).

Dude if they can't reliably open Thanksgiving anymore.. and Christmas is sketchy they might be able to run for 8 instead of 12 weeks, but that is not a sustainable business model..

[Bunion 2020]

^^^ You need to change that to "If" it hits cold air.

For example: It is warm here with a moist NW flow. That helps up high for the skiing some but it won't get us through a fire season. We need that 6500-8000K snow pack.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Dude if they can't reliably open Thanksgiving anymore.. and Christmas is sketchy they might be able to run for 8 instead of 12 weeks, but that is not a sustainable business model..

Are you talking about Carolina?

I’m not promoting snow making and I don’t really like skiing man made snow. The reality is before Mission Ridge expanded snow making they would often have to wait for natural snow in December to open. Now they can open reliably by the day after Thanksgiving. The snow season has shifted to later snow in the spring. Remember we’re talking about a hill that usually receives less than 200” of snow.


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[SumJongGuy]

Are you talking about Carolina?

I’m not promoting snow making and I don’t really like skiing man made snow. The reality is before Mission Ridge expanded snow making they would often have to wait for natural snow in December to open. Now they can open reliably by the day after Thanksgiving. The snow season has shifted to later snow in the spring. Remember we’re talking about a hill that usually receives less than 200” of snow.


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I know Minnesota now needs a lot more manmade to remail viable. The outdoor hockey rec leagues there and other northern states have been migrating to indoor rinks since the mid 80s. The impact of climate change is clearly visible if you look Pond skating is pretty much a thing of the past in places where it was a staple back in the 70s and 80s.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Look, I’m not a climate change denier. It’s happening and it’s affecting skiing in different ways. I don’t think I will see that much change or the end of skiing in my lifetime.


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[PB]

Yabbut ...... your 97.

[2FUNKY]

Yabbut ...... your 97.

His 97 what?….


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[MagnificentUnicorn]

It’s my 97!


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[skaredshtles]

[PB]

97 years old ..... almost as old as me. Not much climate change in the remains minutes of life?

You youngsters are a bit slow.

[skaredshtles]

97 years old ..... almost as old as me. Not much climate change in the remains minutes of life?

You youngsters are a bit slow.

Your the one that fucked up you're post.

[SumJongGuy]

Look, I’m not a climate change denier. It’s happening and it’s affecting skiing in different ways. I don’t think I will see that much change or the end of skiing in my lifetime.


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It's a lot more obvious over 50 years of skiing than it was at 20 years of skiing.. for me at least..

[mcski]

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[MTT]

Is there a thread on The pacific NW? I’m starting to see lots of noise about flooding on the TV

[PB]

Your the one that fucked up you're post.

Well ...... GEEZER ...... duh.

[Danno]

Interesting article in the NYT: Tiny Electric Vehicles Pack a Bigger Climate Punch Than Cars https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/09/b...-android-share

[TBS]

Here’s another from NY Times

Seeking Higher Ground: Western Resorts Take Skiers Where the Snow Is
New terrain development at ski resorts, primarily in Colorado, aims to chase and preserve snow, an invaluable commodity.

About Aspen, Keystone & Steamboat adding lifts higher up the mountain.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/06/t...smid=url-share

Some of the comments are hilariously ill-informed

[LongShortLong]

Stumbled on this youtuber "The Limiting Factor" yapping about various new tech. Seems green related. This video discusses grid storage technologies and why different tech serves different purposes. Discusses specific power and specific energy. This particular video uses fake numbers to illustrate the concepts, though he does include some graphic with DOE data.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nUs_ppctB4

Also watched another video of his about magnesium materials science, and why magnesium is becoming increasingly attractive to the automotive industry. He's more in depth than a lot of the crap I watch, with a little bit less math than an engineering class. Makes my head hurt some, so I'll likely watch more.

[DanoT]

Interesting article in the NYT: Tiny Electric Vehicles Pack a Bigger Climate Punch Than Cars https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/09/b...-android-share

Surprising (actually not surprising given the NYT has an agenda) that the article made no mention of how electricity is produced and transmitted.

In China they are opening an average of 2 new coal fired electric generating plants per week.

In California the power grid is so outdated that rotating electric power grid blackouts have become a seasonal thing. My guess is that many home owners that can afford it have installed whole house backup generators, powered by diesel, gasoline, or propane.

Now that subsidies are winding down, in the US electric car sales have plummeted. And for millions of folks living in apartments where a recharging set up is not possible, they have never been potential EV customers.

[xyz]

Surprising (actually not surprising given the NYT has an agenda) that the article made no mention of how electricity is produced and transmitted.


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Yes my thoughts exactly. I was going to respond the same but was tired of the conspiracy theorist abuse in here.

If the power to charge those batteries is fossil fuel based it’s not much of win. But it would at least clean up the air quality in the streets. And I’m sure the coal fired plant is running in other country polluting the less fortunate so the ebike country can claim their green victory.

[k2skier112]

You have to start somewhere, you have to start sometime. The longer we wait, the more painful, i.e. expensive, it will be.

Invest more in geothermal and concentrated solar

Just because it's hard, is no reason to resist the future

Change is always hard, especially for cranky old fucks

[old goat]

Surprising (actually not surprising given the NYT has an agenda) that the article made no mention of how electricity is produced and transmitted.

In China they are opening an average of 2 new coal fired electric generating plants per week.

In California the power grid is so outdated that rotating electric power grid blackouts have become a seasonal thing. My guess is that many home owners that can afford it have installed whole house backup generators, powered by diesel, gasoline, or propane.

Now that subsidies are winding down, in the US electric car sales have plummeted. And for millions of folks living in apartments where a recharging set up is not possible, they have never been potential EV customers.

A lot more CA homeowners have installed solar panels than generators.
Where do you see EV sales plummeting? Sales have doubled in 2 years from 500K to 1M. I agree though that 100% EVs don't seem practical for many city dwellers and country folk (not to mention those of us with 2 houses.) I think the future belongs to hydrogen.
As for the CA grid--it is hard to see how our private electric generators can increase capacity to service an all EV fleet when they can't even stop from burning the state down.
In any case, the future really lies in replacing private cars with mass transit. A future most of us won't like.

[skaredshtles]

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In any case, the future really lies in replacing private cars with mass transit. A future most of us won't like.

And we need to get started on it NOW.

But gas is below $2/gal so we'll just buy a bunch of big trucks instead.

[xyz]

Invest more in geothermal.

Geothermal has a ton of potential. You don’t need to be Iceland either. My home heat and ac is ran on geothermal with just a glycol loop down a 200’ borehole. All you need is an heat exchanger to capture the temperature difference.The pump is even ran on hydro power.

My monthly bill is less than my internet bill. Even in -30 and 40 C temps.

[skaredshtles]

Geothermal has a ton of potential.

As does solar.

And wind.

And pumped hydro.

And nuclear.

See how that works?