Climate Change

[xyz]

I was asking you for a source for your price of $1M a mwh. The advertised price of the 4mwh Tesla battery is a little under $2M.


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We are not far apart. With installation costs and exchange rate it’s likely closer to 1M/MWh. I was talking CAD.

They can go weeks with no solar or wind power so weeks of battery storage at a 12,000 MW demand is a non starter.

[WMD]

We are not far apart. With installation costs and exchange rate it’s likely closer to 1M/MWh. I was talking CAD.

They can go weeks with no solar or wind power so weeks of battery storage at a 12,000 MW demand is a non starter.

Lithium ion batteries are not the best solution for long-term intermittency. More transmission can help as most likely the wind is shining and the sun is blowing somewhere. There are other options as well -- it's not rocket surgery. Assuming that lithium ion batteries are the only option is silly.

[NBABUCKS1]

This was an incredible look at how we can decarbonize the grid on the recent 'volts' podcast. It was refreshing to listen to something optimistic for once. Guest a princeton professor.

What? The sun isn't always shining?!



https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/what-the-sun-isnt-always-shining/id1548554104?i=1000633373832


Goes over the millisecond, the second, the minute, the hour, the day, the season to how we can handle baseload, peaks, etc.

Really great look at what is currently happening and what technologies are on the horizon.

The grid is a really amazing thing.

[neufox47]

We are not far apart. With installation costs and exchange rate it’s likely closer to 1M/MWh. I was talking CAD.

They can go weeks with no solar or wind power so weeks of battery storage at a 12,000 MW demand is a non starter.

May as well quote it in Colombian Pesos. Do you know what the world views the $ as meaning? It isn’t a fucking looney.

For the 1,000 time, NO ONE is talking about using lithium ion batteries for long term storage. Does Canada use peaking power plants for weeks at a time? NO! These battery packs are literally named 2hr, 4hr, etc.

Guess what method is used to produce almost 60% of Canada’s power? Hydroelectric. Oh geez, I wonder how Canada could ever have long term storage? That’s a real head scratcher guys. Maybe one day we will come up with a way to store large amounts of potential energy where it can be released at will and converted to electrical current. But until that day I guess it is just coal, tar sands and natural gas. https://natural-resources.canada.ca/...ctricity/7359#

[xyz]

An excellent article about the carbon credit fraud. Don't believe it when some company claims to be carbon neutral.
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It’s the perfect scam, hiding behind the guise of saving the planet. And if anyone comes asking questions, just label them a science denying conspiracy theorist.

[Core Shot]

If we could get fusion wow. Electric for the win.
In the mean time, Nat gas is a byproduct of oil wells. If we don’t burn it then they have to flare it. When I fire up my Nat gas furnace I consider it reduce recycle etc.

[neufox47]

https://climate.copernicus.eu/global...trial%20levels.

Earth exceeded 2.0 Celsius above preindustrial levels.

November 2023 is the warmest November on record at .91 Cabove the 1990-2020 average.

Warming is accelerating.


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[SumJongGuy]

There really needs to be big changes in the way we live and HOW/WHERE we live. Centralized workplaces, shopping, eating, etc and better mass transit options.. cities designed so that people prefer mass transit over personal vehicles for most things, etc is where we need to be going..

I think the pandemic really soured a lot of people on the mass transit, more communal living lifestyle..

[xyz]

There really needs to be big changes in the way we live and HOW/WHERE we live. Centralized workplaces, shopping, eating, etc and better mass transit options.. cities designed so that people prefer mass transit over personal vehicles for most things, etc is where we need to be going..

I think the pandemic really soured a lot of people on the mass transit, more communal living lifestyle..

Big changes for how we live, sure. But the billionaires can carry on business as usual.

[SumJongGuy]

About to head up to the mountains for the first turns of the season.. It's going to be 50-60 degrees at 5,000 feet up today. These 20.. 60... 20... 60 cycles are incredibly fucked up. It's pretty clear that ALL places below 10K elevation are toast without massive snowmaking infrastructure pretty soon.

[old goat]

About to head up to the mountains for the first turns of the season.. It's going to be 50-60 degrees at 5,000 feet up today. These 20.. 60... 20... 60 cycles are incredibly fucked up. It's pretty clear that ALL places below 10K elevation are toast without massive snowmaking infrastructure pretty soon.

How does snowmaking work when it’s too warm for natural snow.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

How does snowmaking work when it’s too warm for natural snow.

With favorable dew points and clear skies you can make snow up to 38f


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[2FUNKY]

About to head up to the mountains for the first turns of the season.. It's going to be 50-60 degrees at 5,000 feet up today. These 20.. 60... 20... 60 cycles are incredibly fucked up. It's pretty clear that ALL places below 10K elevation are toast without massive snowmaking infrastructure pretty soon.

How soon? That mantra has been bleated for a long time now. Not sure if you were paying attention but most of the western US set records last year for snow totals. A bunch of those resorts have a base level at or below 6k….


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[alias#?]

Big changes for how we live, sure. But the billionaires can carry on business as usual.

We're all in this together. So be sure to lessen your impact while rich people use the same amount of resources in one hour that I use in a year.

[Bunion 2020]

With favorable dew points and clear skies you can make snow up to 38f


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Sure, you "can", but the costs do not make it pencil out.

[xyz]

With favorable dew points and clear skies you can make snow up to 38f


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More than once I’ve almost ripped the liners out of my boots after hitting a patch of man made slop…

[romeo tango]

^^
try paying attention

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[old goat]

With favorable dew points and clear skies you can make snow up to 38f


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sure you can. If it gets that cold. And doesn't rain. And the sun stays off it. And you have water. And how many of us would ski if all we have is the few man made groomers. Around here the main use of snow making is to get a head start on the season and to put enough coverage on the lower runouts to extend the season.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Sorry, I was just pointing out that you can make snow when the weather doesn’t favor natural snow. As far as winter goes it has been unpredictable in a changing climate. Winter doesn’t seem different than 20 years ago except they’re more unpredictable. Usual patterns don’t have the same outcome anymore.

I think I see a pattern, unpredictability

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[neufox47]

About to head up to the mountains for the first turns of the season.. It's going to be 50-60 degrees at 5,000 feet up today. These 20.. 60... 20... 60 cycles are incredibly fucked up. It's pretty clear that ALL places below 10K elevation are toast without massive snowmaking infrastructure pretty soon.

This type of hyperbole isn’t helpful. It is unlikely anytime in our lifetimes that skiing is unsustainable in the US below 10k. Later opens, more rain, earlier closes, sure. The rain snow line has been gradually rising here in the Sierra and that is going to continue barring a massive external event (volcano, meteor, nuclear war, etc.).

[old goat]

Sorry, I was just pointing out that you can make snow when the weather doesn’t favor natural snow. As far as winter goes it has been unpredictable in a changing climate. Winter doesn’t seem different than 20 years ago except they’re more unpredictable. Usual patterns don’t have the same outcome anymore.

I think I see a pattern, unpredictability

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No apology necessary. Your point was clear and correct. But at least in the Tahoe area snowmaking can improve a ski season but it cannot sustain it or sustain the ski industry.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

We wouldn’t be skiing Mission Ridge without snow making most years. You could ski tour in the basin but not ride lifts in the current configuration. There would be no grooming. Maybe it would be like the old days


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[Bunion 2020]

Here is the thing. If you really care about fighting climate change then snow making should be one of the last things you are promoting (not that "you" are).

On a slightly humorous note, the Billionaires club has started making snow using treated effluent. It smells kind of like an outhouse. We will see if that is acceptable to the hoi polloi.

Meanwhile it is bumping into the 50s and partly sunny. Fuck it dude, time to go mountain biking.

[PB]

I, for one, welcome the fast approaching switch to all indoor skiing in climate controlled buildings.

[SumJongGuy]

How soon? That mantra has been bleated for a long time now. Not sure if you were paying attention but most of the western US set records last year for snow totals. A bunch of those resorts have a base level at or below 6k….


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Warmer air carries more moisture and blows out more snow when it hits cold air. It got better here too before it got worse..