Missing Titanic Submersible

[Mustonen]

Not really top secret anymore, huh?

How not?

[Jax]

No, we would have seen the smoke that escaped from the Lucas electrical bits.

And thus the reason English drink warm beer...

[Supermoon]

How not?

If the existence of the system was a secret, admiring it exists sort of blows that part of it up

[dcpnz]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-nav...s-ago-6844cb12

WSJ NEWS EXCLUSIVE

U.S.
U.S. Navy Detected Titan Sub Implosion Days Ago
UNDERWATER MICROPHONES DESIGNED TO DETECT ENEMY SUBMARINES FIRST DETECTED TITAN TRAGEDY

WASHINGTON—A top secret U.S. Navy acoustic detection system designed to spot enemy submarines first heard the Titan sub implosion hours after the submersible began its mission, officials involved in the search said.

The Navy began listening for the Titan almost as soon as the sub lost communications, according to a U.S. defense official. Shortly after its disappearance, the U.S. system detected what it suspected was the sound of an implosion near the debris site discovered Thursday and reported its findings to the commander on site, U.S. defense officials said.

“The U.S. Navy conducted an analysis of acoustic data and detected an anomaly consistent with an implosion or explosion in the general vicinity of where the Titan submersible was operating when communications were lost,” a senior U.S. Navy official told The Wall Street Journal in a statement. “While not definitive, this information was immediately shared with the Incident Commander to assist with the ongoing search and rescue mission.”

The Navy asked that the specific system used not be named, citing national security concerns.

If true then I’m really annoyed that we spent tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars of public funds mobilizing half the eastern seaboard coast guard to look for these reckless idiots who were already dead…

[Mustonen]

If the existence of the system was a secret, admiring it exists sort of blows that part of it up

Presumably, the system itself and how it functions and what it’s called is top secret, but the fact that top secret systems exist is not.

Hardly a surprise.

Or you’re just smarter than everybody else.

[Supermoon]

Presumably, the system itself and how it functions and what it’s called is top secret, but the fact that top secret systems exist is not.

Hardly a surprise.

Or you’re just smarter than everybody else.

Sure. Maybe. Just seems weird to admit they have and were using it when they’d already confirmed it went down another way.

What’s the point?

[bennymac]

If true then I’m really annoyed that we spent tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars of public funds mobilizing half the eastern seaboard coast guard to look for these reckless idiots who were already dead…

People would still demand proof. People would cry cover up / distraction.

Just call it training experience to put a positive spin on it?

[Mustonen]

Sure. Maybe. Just seems weird to admit they have and were using it when they’d already confirmed it went down another way.

What’s the point?

Intimidation/discouragement. The message is “we have secret shit of unknown capabilities so plz fck off ty.” Same reason I let my kids know that I have ways of knowing what they’re up to without letting them know that I have a good friend who’s good friends with a couple of their friends’ moms.

[Not DJSapp]

Presumably, the system itself and how it functions and what it’s called is top secret, but the fact that top secret systems exist is not.

Hardly a surprise.

If true then I’m really annoyed that we spent tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars of public funds mobilizing half the eastern seaboard coast guard to look for these reckless idiots who were already dead…

It's well known that we have microphones listening to the ocean looking for subs. Hell, the last time I was out on a boat tour in Kauai, the tour guide pointed out the listening base and spouted on about it for five minutes. What we just did was spend millions of dollars doing some real world quality control testing on the accuracy of the system and called it search and rescue. Given that they found the debris within 48 hours, I'd call it a pretty damn big success. Send the bill to the Navy and call it a day.

[oldnew_guy]

Ballard and Cameron's interviews on ABC are worth watching.


"“People in the community were very concerned about this sub,” Cameron said. “A number of the top players in the deep submergence engineering community even wrote letters to the company, saying that what they were doing was too experimental to carry passengers and that it needed to be certified. I’m struck by the similarity of the Titanic disaster itself, where the captain was repeatedly warned about ice ahead of his ship, and yet he steamed at full speed into an ice field on a moonless night and many people died as a result. For us, it’s a very similar tragedy where warnings went unheeded.” -Cameron

Both hammered home that this is really the first time this has happened in deep diving. Cameron seems to imply he has inside knowledge that they were attempting an ascent after running into hull integrity issues.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rThZLhNF_xg

[Jax]

Kinda curious what the dynamic was with the father-son duo.

Was Dad trying to re-connect with his teenage son by doing something dangerous and uber-adventurous together? Or was it son begging Dad for once-in-a-lifetime trip because he got infatuated w/Titanic after watching the movie or doing book report or something??

One thing is for certain though; guarantee you Mom was dead-set against the whole thing.

[Teen Passenger’s Aunt Says He Was ‘Terrified’ To Go On Voyage

Suleman Dawood, the 19-year-old passenger aboard Titan with his father, told a relative before embarking on the submersible voyage that he “wasn’t very up for it” and felt “terrified” about the journey, his aunt told NBC News.

Azmeh Dawood – the sister of passenger Shahzada Dawood – told the network through tears: “I feel disbelief. It’s an unreal situation.”

Her nephew ultimately decided to go on the trip with his dad because it fell over Father’s Day weekend.

“I feel like I’ve been caught in a really bad film with a countdown, but you didn’t know what you’re counting down to,” she continued. “I personally have found it kind of difficult to breathe thinking of them.”]

[JimmyCarter]

Jesus, that’s fucking awful

[BmillsSkier]

Ugh that’s terrible.

[J. Barron DeJong]

Intimidation/discouragement. The message is “we have secret shit of unknown capabilities so plz fck off ty.” Same reason I let my kids know that I have ways of knowing what they’re up to without letting them know that I have a good friend who’s good friends with a couple of their friends’ moms.

Your friend collects intel for you while banging the local moms?

[Mustonen]

Your friend collects intel for you while banging the local moms?

How the information is recovered is their business and best not talked about. Espionage is a dirty business.

[Brownski]

It's well known that we have microphones listening to the ocean looking for subs. Hell, the last time I was out on a boat tour in Kauai, the tour guide pointed out the listening base and spouted on about it for five minute.

I remember reading about it in a Tom Clancy novel a long time ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOSUS

[I Skied Bandini Mountain]

It's well known that we have microphones listening to the ocean looking for subs. Hell, the last time I was out on a boat tour in Kauai, the tour guide pointed out the listening base and spouted on about it for five minutes. What we just did was spend millions of dollars doing some real world quality control testing on the accuracy of the system and called it search and rescue. Given that they found the debris within 48 hours, I'd call it a pretty damn big success. Send the bill to the Navy and call it a day.

Yeah, they had one in Big Sur, too. Used it to find that sunken soviet sub that the Glomar Explorer tried to recover.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Facility_Point_Sur

[GiBo]

Guy I work with was a nuclear sub engineer/sailor When this went down I asked him why can't a sub go find them? He said, "Find them? They're dead. They're not looking because they already know they're dead."

[Supermoon]

I remember reading about in a Tom Clancy novel a long time ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOSUS

Yeah the whole thing has Hunt for Red October vibes.

[bry]

Carbon fiber hull, crazy

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[Mofro261]

A song for every occasion

One of our submarines



One of our submarines is missing tonight
Seems she ran aground on manoeuvres
One of our submarines

A hungry heart
To regulate their breathing
One more night
The Winter Boys are freezing in their spam tin

[sb]

They probably died at the same time they lost commo.

Ocean has been miked since the 60s

Its how they found other subs.

[Mustonen]

They probably died at the same time they lost commo.

Ocean has been miked since the 60s

Its how they found other subs.

Best timeline I’ve seen proposed to date, not at the same time, but “shortly after”:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-nav...s-ago-6844cb12

And Tom Clancy novels read as a teen is part of what has me tuned in to this part of the story.

[rideit]

Well, one thing for sure, the owners/CEO etc of Oceangate will probably never put another vessel to sea again after the billionaire’s lawyers are through with them. And the lawyers of the other passengers.
I’ll be curious to see how iron-clad whatever waiver they had to sign will actually be.

[Rock Knocker]

Intimidation/discouragement. The message is “we have secret shit of unknown capabilities so plz fck off ty.” Same reason I let my kids know that I have ways of knowing what they’re up to without letting them know that I have a good friend who’s good friends with a couple of their friends’ moms.

How good of friends? Milkman good?