ON3P SKIS Discussion

[auvgeek]

Thanks to everyone for the Caylor mount point advice. Went -0.5 cm -- was actually able to reuse the front two toe holes from the previous mount (fewer holes is nice).

Skied them in like 40" new at Silverton mtn, and they were amazing. Mount point is perfect. Flex is perfect. Wouldn't change a thing. My 2013 191 BGs are so sick in bigger terrain, but I REALLY dig the Caylors for playing around in the trees on storm days. The more centered mount point and supportive tail really make a difference, whereas my BGs just want to charge and can get out of hand in the trees when there are slightly buried stumps, logs, etc.

Weirdly the 191 Caylors are longer than the 191 BGs. Straight tape pull is 192.

[tuco]

^^^Such fun skis. Do not discount the chargability of the Caylor!!!

[benk]

I assume the Jeff118 is similar to Caylors which is the most fun ski I’ve ever been on. Rocking the 10/11 Caylors with dukes for resort and 11/12 Caylors with ION12’s. No complaints

[MoeSnow]

Any Jeff 118 love out there?

I've got a pair and it feel like I'm using cheat codes when skiing powder/chop on them. Awesome skis.

Mine are -0.5cm from recommended due to a re-mounting hole conflict, but I feel like the effect of that is negligible.

[mr_pretzel]

I assume the Jeff118 is similar to Caylors which is the most fun ski I’ve ever been on. Rocking the 10/11 Caylors with dukes for resort and 11/12 Caylors with ION12’s. No complaints

In my experience, while they are in the same family the Kartel/jeffrey 116 feels quite different, however maybe the new 118 is closer?

[Sessiøn]

I assume the Jeff118 is similar to Caylors which is the most fun ski I’ve ever been on. Rocking the 10/11 Caylors with dukes for resort and 11/12 Caylors with ION12’s. No complaints

I go back with Caylors as far as you. The J118 is much more refined, Just as fun, but much more capable in my eyes. The taper (which the caylor didn't really have any) and the sidecut are pretty different. So I feel like the ski is more more well behaved, and a little less ponderous than the Caylor was. Also the tail taper lets the back end of the ski have a little less float. Which I felt the caylor had a little too much float in the tail. I have owned my 118's goin on the third season, and I have not had any urge to play the pow ski shuffle with them. I'll ride them until they are dead.

[skithewest]

I assume the Jeff118 is similar to Caylors which is the most fun ski I’ve ever been on. Rocking the 10/11 Caylors with dukes for resort and 11/12 Caylors with ION12’s. No complaints

I have some j118s tours waiting for me to figure out my binding situation. I sincerely hope that's the case. 14 Caylors is my all time favorite ski.


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[cydwhit]

I go back with Caylors as far as you. The J118 is much more refined, Just as fun, but much more capable in my eyes. The taper (which the caylor didn't really have any) and the sidecut are pretty different. So I feel like the ski is more more well behaved, and a little less ponderous than the Caylor was. Also the tail taper lets the back end of the ski have a little less float. Which I felt the caylor had a little too much float in the tail. I have owned my 118's goin on the third season, and I have not had any urge to play the pow ski shuffle with them. I'll ride them until they are dead.

I only have a few runs on Caylors, but I have a ton of time on the Jeff 114 and K116 and I 100% echo this. It's exactly what a playful pow ski should be in 2023. It does the things I felt like the Caylor was good at, while not feeling stupid doing everything else.

I finally got light bindings on my J118 Tours, and hot damn, they are so, so much fun in the deep stuff, while still doing way better than they have any right to in bad snow. This is a forever ski.

[PeachesNCream]

Is the Jeff118 worth the extra price over the Jeff116? I've been trying to hold out for a 118 but there's lots of 116s on sale around. Regards to 116 vs 118, I remember reading that they're a similar ski with the 118 being slightly more refined

[Sessiøn]

Is the Jeff118 worth the extra price over the Jeff116? I've been trying to hold out for a 118 but there's lots of 116s on sale around. Regards to 116 vs 118, I remember reading that they're a similar ski with the 118 being slightly more refined

If you can get a killer deal on a 116 then jump on it. It's a good ski.

[Tailwind]

Can someone remind me the mount point on the Jeffrey mount point is? I think Kartels were like -4.5cm.

I have Wrenegades for the resort that I love but I’ve also been fine with more forward mount points on some skis (particularly while touring). I have Deathwish tours for my current touring set that’s a -5cm mount that I’ve been happy with.

I need a new pair of powder touring skis and I’ve been thinking about the Wildcat tours but the Jeffery 118 stoke has me thinking a bit. Im likely a good candidate for a Billygoat tour… but the feedback on the Jeffery seems more positive.

[big kook]

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Can someone remind me the mount point on the Jeffrey mount point is? I think Kartels were like -4.5cm.

I have Wrenegades for the resort that I love but I’ve also been fine with more forward mount points on some skis (particularly while touring). I have Deathwish tours for my current touring set that’s a -5cm mount that I’ve been happy with.

I need a new pair of powder touring skis and I’ve been thinking about the Wildcat tours but the Jeffery 118 stoke has me thinking a bit. Im likely a good candidate for a Billygoat tour… but the feedback on the Jeffery seems more positive.

[PeachesNCream]

Im likely a good candidate for a Billygoat tour… but the feedback on the Jeffery seems more positive.

Heh? Minus the new 192 (which isn't bad, just not quite the resounding yes of the other models) the BG might be the most popular TGR ski ever.

They're obviously all great skis. If you're choosing between those three, my thought would be if you want something along the lines of the wren, go BG tour. If you want something along the lines of the DW, go jeff 118 tour. If you want something inbetween that leans more towards DW, go WC tour. If you want something inbetween that leans more wren, go woodsman tour. That's oversimplified but that's my impression

[SchralphMacchio]

Long shot here ... if anyone has Woods Tour in 177 length and is not loving them, I would happily buy them from you.

I have Gen1 Woods 108 in that length and they require me to charge more often than is ideal as a daily driver ski for me (I weigh just over 140 lbs, 5' 8", decent but not super strong skier). I really like the shape and size a lot, I'm thinking a softer layup will do the trick! Just when it's packed variable with firmish underneath is when it requires me to be in full charge mode because the tips are not giving way to the snow.

[Ed el Loco]

I get it.
But, resetting a base bevel can be done w) basic ski tuning tools(which I don't want to do on a brand new ski either). No need to spend $100. Also, if you're spending a $100 on a ski tune, find a new shoppe...

Ok so all gripes aside, if my new Jeff 110s are acting hooky on the hard pack. What should I be tuning/detuning to? I know there was some comments 20 pages ago. So I’ll ask the collective. I’ve got change for a nickel, what’s your 2 cents.

[MoeSnow]

What should I be tuning/detuning to?

1 degree on the base and sides. Skip the rocker sections and/or rub a gummi stone on them. Works for me.

[SchralphMacchio]

Long shot here ... if anyone has Woods Tour in 177 length and is not loving them, I would happily buy them from you.

I have Gen1 Woods 108 in that length and they require me to charge more often than is ideal as a daily driver ski for me (I weigh just over 140 lbs, 5' 8", decent but not super strong skier). I really like the shape and size a lot, I'm thinking a softer layup will do the trick! Just when it's packed variable with firmish underneath is when it requires me to be in full charge mode because the tips are not giving way to the snow.

Hmmm, now I see there is a 50/50 layup for custom builds. I wonder if that will do the trick over the stock layup (especially with the Gen2 flex and mount point tweaks), or if I should stay the course and go with a Tour. I'm not very hard on my gear these days either so I'm not sure if the thinner base and edges of the Tour layup will be penalizing to me on my rare trips to Bachelor where contact with lava rocks at high speeds is a lot more likely than at my local podunk hills ...

[SchralphMacchio]

1 degree on the base and sides. Skip the rocker sections and/or rub a gummi stone on them. Works for me.

I have never talked to an actual ski builder about this, but I don't understand if there is any point or function to having true (square-ish) edges at the reverse sidecut (tip and tail taper) portions of the ski. I usually round these completely off with a file and start transitioning back to true about 2-3 cm ahead of the widest points, then leave them true at the widest points.
Inside of the widest points, I detune a little bit of the tail by softening the edge with a medium coarse stone for about 5 cm toward the boot, this just helps me keep the ski loose if I get bucked into the backseat on 3D snow. I like fast turn-in so I don't detune too much of the tips inside of the widest point, maybe a soft pass with the gummi for the the first 2-3 cm inside the widest point of the tips.

[waxoff]

Ok so all gripes aside, if my new Jeff 110s are acting hooky on the hard pack. What should I be tuning/detuning to? I know there was some comments 20 pages ago. So I’ll ask the collective. I’ve got change for a nickel, what’s your 2 cents.

1 degree on the base and sides. Skip the rocker sections and/or rub a gummi stone on them. Works for me.

Check the bases for flatness as well. Concave bases are no bueno, and can lead to exactly what you're describing, Loco.

[lrn2swim]

I need a new pair of powder touring skis and I’ve been thinking about the Wildcat tours but the Jeffery 118 stoke has me thinking a bit. Im likely a good candidate for a Billygoat tour… but the feedback on the Jeffery seems more positive.

I need a new pair of powder touring skis and I’ve been thinking about the Wildcat tours but the Jeffery 118 stoke has me thinking a bit. Im likely a good candidate for a Billygoat tour… but the feedback on the Jeffery seems more positive.

Ummmm, wtf.

I'm assuming the second one is a bot?

[waxoff]

Ummmm, wtf.

I'm assuming the second one is a bot?

Good catch, thanx.

[tuco]

Check the bases for flatness as well. Concave bases are no bueno, and can lead to exactly what you're describing, Loco.

Thats the rub here. Finishes look great! It's always been a base bevel issue. It's not like you're buying a set of G3's

Reset bevels(, detune tapered zones to desired looseness and then polish the edges.

When I tuned, I always hand reset my bevels right before the skis last passes over finish structure.

[Tailwind]

Ummmm, wtf.

I'm assuming the second one is a bot?

Weird… yes a bot seems like a good theory.

Heh? Minus the new 192 (which isn't bad, just not quite the resounding yes of the other models) the BG might be the most popular TGR ski ever.

They're obviously all great skis. If you're choosing between those three, my thought would be if you want something along the lines of the wren, go BG tour. If you want something along the lines of the DW, go jeff 118 tour. If you want something inbetween that leans more towards DW, go WC tour. If you want something inbetween that leans more wren, go woodsman tour. That's oversimplified but that's my impression

I like the summary. I think saying the BG doesn’t have good reviews is mainly that I’ve heard a few vocal people complain about the new model. Seems like it’s mainly the 192 length though. Feels like maybe a little less of a universal crowd pleaser than it once was.

BG is probably the right ski for me. When people talk about the Jeffery 118 it just sounds like a lot of fun so it has me thinking a little.

[benk]

I picked up the 192BG tour in stock layup from their sale in the spring and have zero complaints. Have yet to ski them in an conditions that would let them shine but they’re a hell of a lot more predictable and less hooky/defective than the WNDRs that were my daily driver for a couple years.

[waxoff]

Thats the rub here. Finishes look great! It's always been a base bevel issue. It's not like you're buying a set of G3's

Reset bevels(, detune tapered zones to desired looseness and then polish the edges.

When I tuned, I always hand reset my bevels right before the skis last passes over finish structure.

Gotcha!