ON3P SKIS Discussion

[PeachesNCream]

Is there any discernible difference between a kartel 108 from a few years ago vs. the current 110?

Curious on the same question for the woodsman. If I remember right, they softened up the tail at some point, was that when they went to the 110 or are there 108s with updated tails?


Kid, thanks for the write-up on woodsman vs mfree

[Marko888]

Curious on the same question for the woodsman. If I remember right, they softened up the tail at some point, was that when they went to the 110 or are there 108s with updated tails?

Kid, thanks for the write-up on woodsman vs mfree

2021 Woodsman has softened tails from the OG 2020 versions…also a slightly lighter layup. From ‘20 to ‘21, the tails softened a bit, and mount point moved back a few mm. From 21 to ‘22, the core profile changed and the mount point moved back a few mm more.
I sold a 2020 108, and currently have a ‘21 102 and a ‘22 110…both 182cm. Both are great!

I’m a directional skier and found a tail of the original one a little bit much, but I really like the two pair I have now and plan to keep them quite a while.

[grinch]

Good comparison. I keep thinking about the woodsman. New one sounds dialed

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[kid-kapow]

yes - good point - there is a fairly noticable difference between wd108s and wd110s, probably much more so than comparing k108s and j110s. Marko888's dscription is in line with what I've experienced (though I quite like the og108) - the new version should be a good fit with more skiers than the chargier wd108.

[grinch]

Its nice to have it as a friendlier version in thst slot. That keeps the wren alive as another stand alone charger ski that would be really nice to have as a compliment

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[MoeSnow]

Got my Jeff 118s tuned professionally at a shop (tried myself, but I'm an amateur) and they're easier to handle on hard stuff now.

Would I be crazy to daily drive a ski this wide?

[adrenalated]

Not if you're having fun skiing them every day.

[PeachesNCream]

Was trying to figure this out myself but I keep wish washing back and forth.

I had a jeff108 for many years and its been my favorite DD ski to date. I had them at ~-1 and liked them, could of gone back farther. They're a little too freestyle for my style but like I said still favorite ski to date. In the name of research I sold them and bought some 192 mfree108s, while the mfrees are a fantastic ski they're not nearly as fun as the jeffs (for me). I attribute that to the more progressive mount point of the jeffs and I really like the core on3p has going on. My preferred mount point seems to be around -6. I feel like I'm looking for a ski that's 75% jeff, 25% wren, and I've heard the woodsman described as 25% jeff, 75% wren. The 2 options I'm thinking of are a woodsman 110 mounted forwards 1-2 cm (-6.25 from center) or a jeffery mounted back 1-2cm (-6.1 from center) but having trouble deciding between the 2. Thoughts?

[ApexSkua]

Just finished a 4-day guided touring trip in BC with the 182 BG110Ts. Loved how they performed, they felt great in both a centered stance handling in tight glades as well as driving the tips in open bowls. Plenty of float for their size even in low-angle stuff and no complaints about the uphill performance. I could drive them really far forward without experiencing much tip dive. No problem with a rimey crust one day or firm windscoured ridges. I'll reiterate that the weight definitely affects their performance in chop - you can't just crush through it at this size in the pure tour layup.

[MoeSnow]

My preferred mount point seems to be around -6. I feel like I'm looking for a ski that's 75% jeff, 25% wren, and I've heard the woodsman described as 25% jeff, 75% wren. The 2 options I'm thinking of are a woodsman 110 mounted forwards 1-2 cm (-6.25 from center) or a jeffery mounted back 1-2cm (-6.1 from center) but having trouble deciding between the 2. Thoughts?

Blister has reviewed both skis, albeit old models. They mentioned, in their review for the Jeffrey, that moving the mount point back 1-2cm did not make it anymore drive-able from the shovels. Are you hesitant on getting the Jeffrey because you want to be able to ski with a more forward stance (i.e. drive shovels)? I have skied the Woodsman and Jeffrey in the 102 waist-width and agree that the Woodsman is quite a bit less playful. But, the Jeffrey demands a center stance.

I would call the shop and ask this question.

If you're not married to the idea of buying ON3P but want to keep your money going towards rad indie brands then you could look at Moment Wildcats. They're mounted around -6.

[PeachesNCream]

Blister has reviewed both skis, albeit old models. They mentioned, in their review for the Jeffrey, that moving the mount point back 1-2cm did not make it anymore drive-able from the shovels. Are you hesitant on getting the Jeffrey because you want to be able to ski with a more forward stance (i.e. drive shovels)? I have skied the Woodsman and Jeffrey in the 102 waist-width and agree that the Woodsman is quite a bit less playful. But, the Jeffrey demands a center stance.

I would call the shop and ask this question.

If you're not married to the idea of buying ON3P but want to keep your money going towards rad indie brands then you could look at Moment Wildcats. They're mounted around -6.

I should reread those blister reviews. I haven't been on a ton of skis so I'm still figuring out how what I want translates into ski terms. But I do think I want something I can ski with a little more forward stance. 2/3 of my skiing is in the trees hitting little kickers and whatnot where I'm happy with a more centered stance but for wide open chop or groomers I'd like to be able to have a more forward stance.

Sent on3p an email, we'll see what they say.

I've got a deathwish tour (-5 mount) as my tour ski that I take to the resort a decent amount. Big fan of the shape and versatility of that ski but it doesn't have the pop that the jeff does, which my guess is the bamboo on3p has going on. So I am leaning pretty heavy towards a onep

[MoeSnow]

Sent on3p an email, we'll see what they say.

Sweet, please share what they say! 75% Jeff 25% Wren sounds like a sick ski.

[cocoapuff]

I've kind of always wished for this ski too. A Jeff with a slightly flatter tail, -6ish mount, and most importantly, can be driven through the shovels more. A Jeff/Woods birth child.

[mr_pretzel]

I've kind of always wished for this ski too. A Jeff with a slightly flatter tail, -6ish mount, and most importantly, can be driven through the shovels more. A Jeff/Woods birth child.

It’s literally the woodsman. Just mount it +1 or get the first year model that had a mount at -6

[CYJ]

I think a Jeff with more contact length/less rocker is what we're after in the last several posts. Keep the twin twip shape but give it a bit more driveability. But I imagine they'd probably laugh the moment they hear 'less rocker' though.

I picked up a pair of Sego Big Horns last year thinking they were the answer, but I was pretty surprised at how soft the tips were and ended up selling them.

[kid-kapow]

I think a Jeff with more contact length/less rocker is what we're after in the last several posts.

nah, I do not think so. If you want the ability to drive the ski more, go woodsman and mount +1, or +1.5 at most.

For the centered/modern skier the jeff is already king, no need to change it - it is beyond dialed imho. I was last on k108s pre change to no elliptical sidecut in the rear half, the only thing I wanted to change with that ski. It was still sooooo good for how it was supposed to ski.

And, a lot of the changes the length is in the rockered sections as far as I know. So just buy a regular wd and cut a cm off it if you want to move the mount forward. Me going +1 had to do with the flex pattern, not the sidecut / mount point from a theorectical point.

[mn_teleswede]

It’s literally the woodsman. Just mount it +1 or get the first year model that had a mount at -6

My thoughts. But what do I know

[Doremite]

Got my Wren 102s out today for the first time. Zero tune issues and love at first turn. I just gel w the Wren 98, 96, 108 and now the 102. Hot damn! Yet to try the HL AM 50/50 99s. Can’t wait….. FINALLY snowing in the east.

[cocoapuff]

It’s literally the woodsman. Just mount it +1 or get the first year model that had a mount at -6

Your'e right I guess I'm kinda describing a Woodsman... but not totally. Even forward mounted Woods is not the poppy, playful, loose ski the Jeff is. The OG 108 Woods even less so with all that tail. I just want a Jeff I can drive.

[jacob_dbu]

I know what you're saying peglegg. Having a WD102 and a Jeff 110 I agree. What I think I really want is the Jeff 110 shape and layup with the rocker profile and mount point of the Woodsman. Although the Jeff 110 at -1.5cm is pretty close.

[kid-kapow]

dammit - please stop making me want to order j110s and j118s silvousplait!

Stay strong kid - wood110s and 16/17BGs are skiing perfection!

[BlueBison]

Your'e right I guess I'm kinda describing a Woodsman... but not totally. Even forward mounted Woods is not the poppy, playful, loose ski the Jeff is. The OG 108 Woods even less so with all that tail. I just want a Jeff I can drive.

I’m sure you don’t want to hear it, but what you’re describing is a wildcat.

[Marko888]

I've kind of always wished for this ski too. A Jeff with a slightly flatter tail, -6ish mount, and most importantly, can be driven through the shovels more. A Jeff/Woods birth child.

I was on my 182 Woodsman 110 Thursday in 6” of fresh, medium density pow. I’d say one can certainly ski this ski centred…or drive it as needed/desired. Load it up and jump from turn to turn. I’d for sure describe this ski as poppy… it’s also loose enough to be agile.
I truly don’t know shit … but I do really find this ski to be a lot of fun. To me “a bit less chargey” compared to the OG Woodsman 108 is on point. FWIW, mount point line is -7.5cm on this 110.

[Velomayniac]

What does the woodsman 110 compare to? Is it more ski than wildcats? How would it handle daily driving west coast usa?

[MoeSnow]

Slapping CAST on my Jeffrey 118s... gonna be a tad heavy but I can always be more in shape

Quiver is now QST 92 with CAST for days when it's an ice rink and Jeff 118s for everything else. Might be room for some Jeffrey 110s in the future? I wonder if they'd overlap with the 118s too much.

Sold my Jeffrey 102s because they weren't as good in low-tide conditions as I wanted them to be, thus the QSTs.