I need a new mattress

[Bruce Springskiin]

I picked up a fold out couch that has a 3-4" air mattress on top of the standard sleeper sofa mattress, and while still not the same as an actual mattress it is the best i have come across.

[Elkhound Odin]

You can't fold a full thickness mattress into a sofa. Not unless you want the sofa to sit 3-4 feet off the floor and destroy the springs.

[irul&ublo]

I need a new mattress

Embarrassing stains?

[raisingarizona13]

We have had our Ghost Bed mattress for about a year now and it's as good as when we got it. The thing is amazing. You really can't put a price on getting a regular good nights sleep that doesn't fuck up your back.

[Danno]

I picked up a fold out couch that has a 3-4" air mattress on top of the standard sleeper sofa mattress, and while still not the same as an actual mattress it is the best i have come across.

yeah, when we went shopping for comfortable sofa beds, that seemed to be the standard for the higher end ones. definitely takes away the "I'm sleeping on a sofa bed" feeling, though I personally don't like air mattresses much.

[riser4]

You can't fold a full thickness mattress into a sofa. Not unless you want the sofa to sit 3-4 feet off the floor and destroy the springs.

Ya, no. I'm not talking about folding. Lengthwise single mattress. Have a slot so it becomes the back of the couch, bottom of the mattress disappears behind the seat cushions. It involves a few sliding parts like some old futon frames I have seen. I have a picture in my mind. Because there's enough volume to hide a single width (twin) mattress if you put it up on its side at a traditional sofa back angle. I did some measurements. Then you just need custom seat cushions. I just don't have the skills to make it come out level or to get the sliding/pivoting parts right.

[skuff]

Ya, no. I'm not talking about folding. Lengthwise single mattress. Have a slot so it becomes the back of the couch, bottom of the mattress disappears behind the seat cushions. It involves a few sliding parts like some old futon frames I have seen. I have a picture in my mind. Because there's enough volume to hide a single width (twin) mattress if you put it up on its side at a traditional sofa back angle. I did some measurements. Then you just need custom seat cushions. I just don't have the skills to make it come out level or to get the sliding/pivoting parts right.

That sounds cool, I'd like to see the finished product. If it's my turn on the fold out couch, I'll put the mattress on the floor. That bar across the center of the back is uncomfortable.

[Danno]

Ya, no. I'm not talking about folding. Lengthwise single mattress. Have a slot so it becomes the back of the couch, bottom of the mattress disappears behind the seat cushions. It involves a few sliding parts like some old futon frames I have seen. I have a picture in my mind. Because there's enough volume to hide a single width (twin) mattress if you put it up on its side at a traditional sofa back angle. I did some measurements. Then you just need custom seat cushions. I just don't have the skills to make it come out level or to get the sliding/pivoting parts right.

They exist, I have seen them. I think IKEA may have one, but if not, I saw that at a really high end furniture store.

[KQ]

Don't know if they have them in your parts, but Shopko carries them here in Utah.

We do have Shopko - will check. I always forget about them being a resource for furniture.

[TheSilverSurfer]

Just bought organic latex from diy bedding. 3" thick, 3 slabs. Firm, medium, and then medium for my side and soft for the wife. Great pricing.

9" total thickness.

[neufox47]

Chiming back in about my Costco foam mattress, 8 years and no sagging, indents, etc. Only complaint is no bounce / rebound.

[CarlMega]

Nada. I started adult-ing hard and bought a house. We moved the Serta to the guest bedroom. However, it's worth noting that we're sleeping noticeably better on the Pangeabed - and the Serta is potentially towards the end of its life if the normal 7 - 10 year guideline is to be believed. The Pangea is definitely more supportive in a good way; but that may just be the nature of the different foam layers vs. innerspring. I kind of think this industry might be becoming like bikes at this point, is there really a truly terrible design out there anymore?

Do you still like the Pangea? Thinking about getting the copper version.

[Swine]

Do you still like the Pangea? Thinking about getting the copper version.

Yeah. Still digging it. A lot. My coworker got the copper and he's loving it too. At first I wanted a little more sink in, but it seems to have softened just a tad and it's great. I'm only about 160 lbs though so YMMV. I'd look at the Nectar too if I were you. That one still intrigues me, but the deal on Pangea was too good.

[CarlMega]

Yeah. Still digging it. A lot. My coworker got the copper and he's loving it too. At first I wanted a little more sink in, but it seems to have softened just a tad and it's great. I'm only about 160 lbs though so YMMV. I'd look at the Nectar too if I were you. That one still intrigues me, but the deal on Pangea was too good.

Thanks man. I'm about same weight and I like mattress on firmer side so that's encouraging. Good advice on the nectar as its well reviewed but some sort of shadiness on the customer service/delivery and the affiliate reviews so hmmm. The Pangea had a good visual look as far as the quilting and covering so that's a nice aspect. Anyway - thanks again.

[Skidog]

Didnt skim the last few pages, but whos using purple? Just read the "story" about the enginerds behind it, and they are pretty smart dudes. Started in Alpine UT, expanding to Grantsville. Huge player in a VERY short timeframe. In line with other "bed in a box" pricing. Anyone got one? Apparently they also just signed with Mattress Firm something like 5600 retail locations.

[boarddad]

So what I want to know is why, in the 21st century, nobody has built a sofa that holds or disguises a normal, off the shelf, full thickness, comfortable single bed mattress, and converts easily between a bed and a sofa? I am not talking about a futon or any of a bunch of various 'day beds'. Those things are always uncomfortable and do both jobs poorly. I have a picture in my mind of what I want. However I am not anywhere near a competent furniture maker myself or even a carpenter. There are a few points in my proposed design that definitely need a pro to work out. I also don't have the dough to commission a piece.

I didn't have to too far down the rabbit hole to find this - could be what you are looking for;
https://www.thespruce.com/diy-murphy...11492-0-ab_mse

[Swine]

Thanks man. I'm about same weight and I like mattress on firmer side so that's encouraging. Good advice on the nectar as its well reviewed but some sort of shadiness on the customer service/delivery and the affiliate reviews so hmmm. The Pangea had a good visual look as far as the quilting and covering so that's a nice aspect. Anyway - thanks again.

Pangea definitely impressed me with the quality aspect. The quilted top, seams, and general construction are all great. I was actually surprised that it was so good. If you have a chance at a promotion - we got two free pillows with ours. I don't really like them. They are high volume and pure latex is really springy. My partner reverted to a standard memory foam pillow and I'm back on a feather pillow. However, aforementioned coworker loves his so... Again YMMV

[riser4]

I didn't have to too far down the rabbit hole to find this - could be what you are looking for;
https://www.thespruce.com/diy-murphy...11492-0-ab_mse

Thanks. What I am looking for is not exactly in there, however it gave me plenty of ideas. More or less, what I have in mind is an inside out twin-sized horizontal Lori Wall Bed tipped over on it's side. Sort of. Except the sleeping position is the stowed position. And the 'sofa' position is sort of what they call the sleeping position. If I didn't have a use for a sofa, I would probably just go with a horizontal twin Lori. I might still do that.

[VTeton]

I'm a side sleepers and this has been surprisingly awesome!! Went from a Temperpedic to this. 3 months in and great. Waiting for it to shit the bed given the price.

Seller: dynastymattress
NEW! 15.5-Inch AtlantisBreeze GEL w/6 Layers, w/7.5" Memory Foam Mattress-CalKing Size: 1 x $799.00 = $799.00

[Garth Bimble]

Ya, no. I'm not talking about folding. Lengthwise single mattress. Have a slot so it becomes the back of the couch, bottom of the mattress disappears behind the seat cushions. It involves a few sliding parts like some old futon frames I have seen. I have a picture in my mind. Because there's enough volume to hide a single width (twin) mattress if you put it up on its side at a traditional sofa back angle. I did some measurements. Then you just need custom seat cushions. I just don't have the skills to make it come out level or to get the sliding/pivoting parts right.

The problem that mattress/sofa bed manufacturers have battled for years is this: What makes something comfortable to sit on doesn't necessarily make it comfortable to sleep on and vice versa. Another problem is the issue of something called "set". Mattresses are built differently than seat cushions because they are meant to be laid on, which disperses the weight of the person laying on it out over a relatively large area. Good for sleeping, not so much for sitting. Seat cushions are built to withstand a similar amount of weight over a much smaller area. Great for sitting, not so hot for sleeping. If you take a conventional mattress and sit on the same spot over and over again it will take a set (also known as body depression) because it isn't built for that.

Not saying your idea won't work, but as is the case with all convertible sofas, there will be compromises when it comes to comfort. It comes with the territory.

[iceman]

Well I just learned something, thanks Garth.

[DasBlunt]

Denver Mattress...number 1 for under 1k.

handmade, 3k+

[DasBlunt]

Chiming back in about my Costco foam mattress, 8 years and no sagging, indents, etc. Only complaint is no bounce / rebound.

Impressive longevity. any other complaints? Does it "breathe"? Like, is it a warm or cool bed? maybe the wrong words, but...

[riser4]

The problem that mattress/sofa bed manufacturers have battled for years is this: What makes something comfortable to sit on doesn't necessarily make it comfortable to sleep on and vice versa. Another problem is the issue of something called "set". Mattresses are built differently than seat cushions because they are meant to be laid on, which disperses the weight of the person laying on it out over a relatively large area. Good for sleeping, not so much for sitting. Seat cushions are built to withstand a similar amount of weight over a much smaller area. Great for sitting, not so hot for sleeping. If you take a conventional mattress and sit on the same spot over and over again it will take a set (also known as body depression) because it isn't built for that.

Not saying your idea won't work, but as is the case with all convertible sofas, there will be compromises when it comes to comfort. It comes with the territory.

True. That's why I was thinking that the mattress becomes the seat back of the sofa, less 'set' hopefully. Of course there's the affects of gravity when you keep a mattress on its side or end. Murphy beds are planned so as to spend more time down than stowed if I am not mistaken.

What I do know is that any 'day bed' I have have ever seen where the mattress is the seat cushion usually really suck and do both jobs poorly. I am hoping for something that does the sleeping job better and accommodates people with short legs. Day beds have too wide a seat for me.

[Garth Bimble]

True. That's why I was thinking that the mattress becomes the seat back of the sofa, less 'set' hopefully. Of course there's the affects of gravity when you keep a mattress on its side or end. Murphy beds are planned so as to spend more time down than stowed if I am not mistaken.

What I do know is that any 'day bed' I have have ever seen where the mattress is the seat cushion usually really suck and do both jobs poorly. I am hoping for something that does the sleeping job better and accommodates people with short legs. Day beds have too wide a seat for me.

It's sort of a "right tool for the right job" kind of thing. In theory, you can use a hammer to drive a screw and you can use the handle of a screwdriver to pound a nail but these aren't the ideal uses for those tools. The same goes for the mattress as a couch back. It'll work, but that's not what it was designed for. As for the "set" issue, you'll still have to deal with it because you're focusing pressure on a relatively small area of the mattress which is not what it was designed to handle. Even though it's not a tremendous amount of pressure over time it will add up. There is always the option of flipping it around though, this helps keep the wear evenly distributed. A firmer, higher quality mattress might hold up better but from a comfort standpoint, in this application anyway, it might not be what you're looking for. Another matter is aesthetics, if having a mattress sticking out of the back of your couch is OK then no big deal but if you want it to look good you'll need to cover it. You'll probably need to cover it anyway because mattress covers (ticking) aren't stain resistant, are hard to clean and will wear more quickly than standard upholstery.

FWIW, I used to work for the largest manufacturer of innersprings and sofa sleeper mechanisms in the world. We were always looking for something more comfortable but the bottom line on the sofa-mechs was cost...most residential customers used them only occasionally so they weren't willing to spend big $$$ for something that might be better than the standard design. There was a sizeable commercial market though in hotels and other rental properties. The problem here though was that even with a lengthy warranty on a "commercial grade" unit, most properties were lucky to get 2 years out of a mechanism because the guests/housekeepers would try to close them with the bedding still inside. This would cause the mechanism to lock up so they would try and force it closed which would blow out not only the mechanism but the couch frame as well. That isn't covered under the warranty so they didn't wan't to pay extra bucks for something that they knew they'd need to replace anyway. There was always a niche market out there for something like you're talking about and perhaps it's growing now with this tiny house bullshit so maybe manufacturers will pay more attention to it.

And you're right, day beds suck unless you're 6, for the same reason...mattresses used as sitting surfaces. We made those too.