I need a new mattress

[teledad]

I think I posted this upthread somewhere - ordered a T&N mattress and hated it. Way too firm for us, my wife compared it to sleeping on the floor. Seemed decent quality though and I had no trouble getting my money back. Worth trying if you like beds on the firm side.

We have two bedinabox.com mattresses and they've been great. Oldest is 3 years old now. Also have an older Tempurpedic that's similar. Don't think I'll ever buy another innerspring mattress.

[frorider]

Was AWOL (Always West of Lincoln) in LA recently and saw a Casper showroom. Was unimpressed by the mattress...too soft for me or my GF. Not terrible by any means. Just meh.

[cinnepa]

Good to know firmness on each...thanks. prefer firm.

[GeezerSteve]

Ghostbed anybody? Firmer than most, latex top, sleeps cool, made by Nature's Sleep. SLTD does not rate it. This review site likes Leesa, L&L and Ghostbed. We're shopping for a new mattress (in addition to lots of other stuff for our new home). This thread adds to the confusion.

[KQ]

Would be interested in how many others experienced this:

When I bought my BR Black I loved the one in the store (spent almost 2 weeks deciding it was the one). Sales guy warned me my new one wouldn't feel quite as comfy and told be to walk on it to help break it in when it arrived. I was hesitant because it sounded so weird and I had read so much about mattress sag that I didn't because I was afraid of hastening its demise. Boy was that a mistake.

The first night on my new mattress was not the dream I was dreaming about. It was hard and cold. Next day I got up and did a little dance on the mattress and it def. helped. Three (four?) years in now and the mattress is perfect. Broke in but without sag. It is comfy, cuddly, warm and wonderful - don't want to get up in the morning goodness.

[KQ]

Ghostbed anybody? Firmer than most, latex top, sleeps cool, made by Nature's Sleep. SLTD does not rate it. This review site likes Leesa, L&L and Ghostbed. We're shopping for a new mattress (in addition to lots of other stuff for our new home). This thread adds to the confusion.

Of all the mattresses I have in my guest house and main house, the one I have in the guest room in my main house is the one that gets the most raves. It is an Englander Mattress. They are made in Portland Oregon. I think I paid about $900 for it back in 2009. Didn't give it a whole lot of thought when I made the purchase but as I've said time and time again guests of all ages/sexes rave about how well they slept on it.

It is your basic innerspring mattress.

[GeezerSteve]

Not interested in innerspring. We've settled on memory foam, probably with a latex or latex-like (e.g., Avena foam) top layer. Research leads to conclusion that Tempurpedic is unnecessarily expensive. Leesa beats Casper in the head-to-head comparos I've read, e.g., mattressnerd, sleepopolis. We prefer a firmer mattress, which is why Ghostbed is on the list. Our list has narrowed to Leesa, Ghostbed and Novaform Serafina Pearl Gel (which is #1 CR memory foam mattress but gets inconsistent consumer reviews) with Leesa currently at the top of the list.

[montanaskier]

Tempur is too expensive for what they are. Company is built on margin....lots of it. If you want foam, Icomfort is every bit the bed at a lower price. Other options like bed in box or Casper or T&N can be great. No bed is perfect and comfort is really subjective.

[Pegleg]

Not interested in innerspring. We've settled on memory foam, probably with a latex or latex-like (e.g., Avena foam) top layer. Research leads to conclusion that Tempurpedic is unnecessarily expensive. Leesa beats Casper in the head-to-head comparos I've read, e.g., mattressnerd, sleepopolis. We prefer a firmer mattress, which is why Ghostbed is on the list. Our list has narrowed to Leesa, Ghostbed and Novaform Serafina Pearl Gel (which is #1 CR memory foam mattress but gets inconsistent consumer reviews) with Leesa currently at the top of the list.

I've had the Novaform Serafina for several months now. Love it. Paid under $700 delivered and couldn't be happier. Plus you get the Costco peace of mind, since you can return it literally any time if you decide you're not happy with it (and they'll come and pick it up if you do). Honestly, if you have the option to buy anything at Costco, I'd weigh that heavily in your analysis since their customer service and return policy pretty much kicks the ass of anything else out there.

EDIT: I checked the reviews, and it seems like some folks complain about it being too firm. I guess it's relatively firm, but not crazy so. Probably more a "firm" than a "medium-firm" which is how it's listed, so maybe that's the issue. I find it super comfortable and it doesn't feel overly firm to me, just supportive.

[frorider]

https://theringer.com/how-much-is-yo...ea4#.dafld7uyy

...claims mattresses are the new iPhones. As if a bunch of losers would sit around discussing mattresses. Never going to happen.

[funkendrenchman]

DO NOT try a Nest Bedding (Alexander Hyrbrid, Signature, Love Bed) mattress. Returning the item has been extremely frustrating. The owner wanted to send me a topper to make it more comfortable, but was very vague in saying that accepting the topper would mean that we could only exchange the mattress, not return it. I said I would go ahead and "keep" the mattress until the 30 days and he tried to tell me that because I said "keep" not "try", that it would void the refund policy. If the 30 day trial is not easy and painless, there is no reason to purchase a mattress online.

[iceman]

A friend of mine and his wife were over here for dinner the other night and somehow the topic got to mattresses. They told us that they still sleep on the mattress he had when they met in college. He graduated college in 1982. wtf?

[plugboots]

That's gross.

[GiBo]

I couldn't justify 2k on the flobed. Just ordered a t&n. I'll report back after I get a few nights on it. Found this review on Amazon:

"I really like the mattress and I like the way these guys do business. Can't bitch about the price either! On top of that, as it were, it makes for a great sex platform too...and at my age I need a slow comfortable screw!"
Mike Sheehan

OK, Mike. Maybe a little TMI, but good info.

[GeezerSteve]

After much searching we went with Loom & Leaf (made by Saavta) firm king for $1400. Great reviews, comparable to $4,600 Tempur Pedic Contour Elite Breeze. Closing house/shop purchase today, taking delivery of mattress in next 10 days.

[funkendrenchman]

I couldn't justify 2k on the flobed. Just ordered a t&n. I'll report back after I get a few nights on it. Found this review on Amazon:

"I really like the mattress and I like the way these guys do business. Can't bitch about the price either! On top of that, as it were, it makes for a great sex platform too...and at my age I need a slow comfortable screw!"
Mike Sheehan

OK, Mike. Maybe a little TMI, but good info.

I'm always skeptical of Amazon reviews, but that one sounds legit.

[Swine]

After much searching we went with Loom & Leaf (made by Saavta) firm king for $1400. Great reviews, comparable to $4,600 Tempur Pedic Contour Elite Breeze. Closing house/shop purchase today, taking delivery of mattress in next 10 days.

How is it? We're seriously looking at the Ghostbed currently. My eyes are bleeding from reading reviews... Pretty sure we've narrowed it down to Ghostbed or Pangea Bed, but I'm interested in a first hand L&L review.

[raisingarizona13]

@Swine, My gf surprised me with a ghost bed just a little over a week ago and it's freaking amazing. Firm enough to keep your back straight and it has enough foam cushioning to make the top 3 or so inches the most comfortable form fitting thing that I have ever slept on. She had bought us a new mattress about 7 or 8 months ago but it was a pretty cheap one that basically collapsed on us after 4 months. We both had hot tub like holes we were sleeping in every night and both our backs were suffering.

It's still new so I guess it could break down like the last one but from the reviews that I've read that doesn't happen with these. We also each got a pillow and I highly recommend them. Every pillow I've had before was always too tall or squished to something too small but this thing is perfect. It's been about two weeks and our back and neck problems have disappeared.

[Swine]

@Swine, My gf surprised me with a ghost bed just a little over a week ago and it's freaking amazing. Firm enough to keep your back straight and it has enough foam cushioning to make the top 3 or so inches the most comfortable form fitting thing that I have ever slept on. She had bought us a new mattress about 7 or 8 months ago but it was a pretty cheap one that basically collapsed on us after 4 months. We both had hot tub like holes we were sleeping in every night and both our backs were suffering.

It's still new so I guess it could break down like the last one but from the reviews that I've read that doesn't happen with these. We also each got a pillow and I highly recommend them. Every pillow I've had before was always too tall or squished to something too small but this thing is perfect. It's been about two weeks and our back and neck problems have disappeared.

Whoa. OK. That is a pretty great review. So... Riddle me this. I found a Groupon for about 140 off. But, it nullifies the trial period. Gah, it's hard to eat that 140 if we don't have to...

[GeezerSteve]

How is it (Loom & Leaf firm]?

We love it, sleeping better than ever, no achy back in the morning, give it the highest recommendation.

[raisingarizona13]

I'm not sure if it makes any difference but they also do interest free financing. It's also warrantied for 20 years.

I'm afraid to say much more, we love it but people's opinions probably differ on what constitutes a good mattress.

[Swine]

I'm not sure if it makes any difference but they also do interest free financing. It's also warrantied for 20 years.

I'm afraid to say much more, we love it but people's opinions probably differ on what constitutes a good mattress.

Yeah for sure. I wouldn't blame you either way. I think it's pretty stupid they created a Groupon that voids a key component of the buying experience/product. But whatever. Last thing that would help us... if you don't mind. Approximate weight and are you guys mostly back, side, or stomach sleepers?

[raisingarizona13]

Yeah for sure. I wouldn't blame you either way. I think it's pretty stupid they created a Groupon that voids a key component of the buying experience/product. But whatever. Last thing that would help us... if you don't mind. Approximate weight and are you guys mostly back, side, or stomach sleepers?

Being a 41 year old college student and a father I'm rocking a sexy AF Dad bod right now that I imagine is weighing in around 175-180. My lady is around 110.

I'm mostly a side sleeper but I have to rotate using all aspects since my body is so beat up. I usually can't get more than an hour or two on my left side because of a severely dislocated AC (class-4) but with this bed it hasn't been much of a thing.

Get the bed, get the pillows. After last nights sleep I'll go ahead and fully endorse their product. You really can't beat good sleep.

[Swine]

Being a 41 year old college student and a father I'm rocking a sexy AF Dad bod right now that I imagine is weighing in around 175-180. My lady is around 110.

I'm mostly a side sleeper but I have to rotate using all aspects since my body is so beat up. I usually can't get more than an hour or two on my left side because of a severely dislocated AC (class-4) but with this bed it hasn't been much of a thing.

Get the bed, get the pillows. After last nights sleep I'll go ahead and fully endorse their product. You really can't beat good sleep.

Damn. I really want it now; however, I got in a bit of an email exchange with the sales rep about why the hell they'd do Groupon if they were going to void the trial. Their response, conversely, makes me want one less. (This came after the initial inquiry where they were like "you could use the Groupon to get more pillows." What the hell am I going to do with 6 pillows?)

Swine: Ok, thanks for the quick reply -------. Not that your marketing team really cares, but I would suggest in the future to not do Groupon's like that: it kind of sucks and negates any sort of positive, at least from my perspective as a buyer. I realize this is a unique market, and I'm sure on your end it's a negative sum game to even cover returning a bed, but without being able to try it in person there probably isn't any other way; and a return trial is absolutely necessary for something like this.

Reply this morning: Hi Swine,

I understand where you're coming from but in my experience any and all sales on Groupon for any company are final. You have to think of it as big business, because it is. As a large company, we understand people want discounts so that's offered through some promo deals that we have, and I go through hundreds of returns a day just from GhostBed alone and we issue hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of refunds for GhostBed alone each year. If the company as a whole always did refunds and returns due to not liking the bed for every customer that purchased a GhostBed not on GhostBed.com, GhostBed would make no money and the company would go bankrupt.

It's just like a car dealership that tries to sell their old cars that have been on the lot for a few years: the warranty still applies but it can't be returned because you don't like it and want a new car.

Again, I understand where you're coming from and if I were the owner of the company I would at least have a 10 day return policy but unfortunately it can't happen that way and I'm not the owner. Hopefully you can understand the business banter and even if you don't choose GhostBed for yourself, maybe someone you know would love one for the holidays.

Regards,
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You issue hundreds of thousands of dollars of refunds and I should go ahead and not get the trial? My new mattress is like an old car? Gee, sign me up.

I believe you RA, but these exchanges make me want to hate on them.... ha.

[teledad]

It's just a risk/reward tradeoff. There's no market in used mattresses (it's even illegal to sell them some places) so the company eats the full cost on returns. So when they sell you a mattress at full price they're taking on a risk that you won't like it - in which case they'll lose money. By buying the groupon you're assuming that risk in return for a discount. They get a lower margin on the sale but they're assured of a profit (assuming they don't put the discounted price below their cost). You can decide for yourself whether it's a good tradeoff. Personally I would pay full price and keep the return option, unless I'd bought a previous bed from the same place and had good assurance that it hadn't changed.