If only there was something we could do...

[SumJongGuy]

Full circle.. Didn't it all start here??

‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

Bla bla bla... Muh RAWTS bla bla bla.. for 250+ pages..

[leroy jenkins]

Acknowledging that there are multiple variables when comparing gun violence in different countries does not equate to saying that these variables are therefore automatically different between countries.

I’m embarrassed for Leroy that he got tripped up by that.

He used to annoy me but now I just feel kinda sad for him - like I’m arguing with a toddler or a dementia patient about complicated topics - that’s just not fair or cool.

But there are significantly difference in those variables. Like the one I just described.

[leroy jenkins]

if most murders are committed in highly urban areas are you saying you don’t care about the fact that there are less dense places with incidences of homicide per 100k that far exceed the biggest cities?

https://www.wlbt.com/story/35603714/...outputType=amp

looks like plenty of sparsely populated places suffer from more suicides too, member states when you pretended to care about that a couple of pages ago?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suic...by_county.webp

you assholes can slice the data however you want to excuse the gross amounts of violence, just admit that you care more about your toys than people dying.

Those appear to be all pretty freaking poor places. Just the fact that they aren't urban doesn't debunk the reality that repurcussions of slavery and the mishandling of reconstruction created poor disenfranchised areas. The fact that many are urban is incidental. Poor and disenfranchised are the key variables, obviously.

And yea, suicides are more common in rural areas.

I'm also just not sure about trusting the data contained in an article with so many obvious typos. Look at the numbers of their supposed list. Supposed to be top ten but it goes 1 2 4 6 7 7 9 9?

I care about people's safety and wellbeing. Which is why I care about more than just angrily blaming gun owners for everything so I don't have to actually grok the real complexity of these problems.

[ex-powderbroker]

if gun owners support the current laws, then they are part of the problem.

you’re a fucking moron.

[SumJongGuy]

How about rather than calling it "blaming gun owners" instead we call it "the right t own/carry guns"? After all, that's the problem. People aren't perfect. We all get angry and lose our shit sometimes.. We all forget to lock our cars sometimes. Nobody want's to blame the playas as much as blaming the game

Plus that way elroy doesn't get to play the victim.

[skiJ]

Coming to a school near you, sooner or later...

As a dad with 2 elementary school age kids, this hits hard.

KSAT San Antonio: 15 killed in shooting at Uvalde elementary school; gunman dead, Gov. Abbott says.
https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2022...district-says/

This thread started here. school safety -

and within thirteen posts, it was here >

"Don't worry. Congress will surely do something.


We are a pathetic nation."

[::: :::]

This thread started here. school safety -

and within thirteen posts, it was here >

"Don't worry. Congress will surely do something.


We are a pathetic nation."

If you are implying that it is the school’s responsibility to solve (by improving “safety”), I just don’t know what to say…

The issue is NOT unsafe schools.

[skiJ]

The comment was,

"Full circle.. Didn't it all start here?? "

This thread was started in response to the Uvalde (tx) school killings ;

it quickly became the Guns!!! thread of 2022-2023.

Guns!!! are not going to be solved in my lifetime - ( Guns!!! are not my issue - I was interested IF there was going to be a genuine discussion about school safety. )

Guns!!! is a bigger issue than school safety -
school safety still merits discussion
( was ANYthing done right in Uvalde before a Border Patrol agent breeched the Unlocked classroom ).

I was only commenting to the idea of "Full circle" of/to this thread.

Please
go back to shouting at each other about Guns!!! and ( his) Rights.

tj

[skiJ]

I remain haunted by the photo of the Uvalde Schools police department in full tactical gear with their semi-automatic rifles -

That this ,,, I remain haunted.

( we've probably got three generations now who think Life is a 'Call of duty' video game )

good luck.
This geezer is out. tj

[SumJongGuy]

The comment was,

"Full circle.. Didn't it all start here?? "


tj

The thread started with a thread title..

IF ONLY THERE WAS SOMETHING WE COULD DO...

Try to keep up.

Full circle.. Didn't it all start here??

‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

Bla bla bla... Muh RAWTS bla bla bla.. for 250+ pages..

It was about the national dilemma and inability to do anything meaningful to curb gun violence. (and accidents) and the horrific results.

Uvalde was only one microcosm of that this thread started out to discuss.

[skiJ]

Coming to a school near you, sooner or later...

As a dad with 2 elementary school age kids, this hits hard.

KSAT San Antonio: 15 killed in shooting at Uvalde elementary school; gunman dead, Gov. Abbott says.
https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2022...district-says/

OP, C. - If you need it to include the Title, there it is ^^^

Don't worry, Congress will surely do something.

We are pathetic as a nation.

thirteen posts later, we were already here.

This thread was not about some National Guns!!! dilemma until You and Leroy and Bobby needed more attention.

I looked through the first thirty pages looking for the photo of the school police department in tactical gear All with semi-automatic rifles.
Today I don't see it.

I have no interest in keeping up with you; Charlie - to me, internet forum attention is just your current addiction ( that is my opinion. )

you've got 7000posts about Guns!!!

my local schools were safe last year.

you win. I would rather have Safe schools.

g'bye again. skiJ

[ex-powderbroker]

While Lerone mulls around the complexity of the problem, it's already clear to everyone that has studied it without an agenda:

it is too easy to get guns
guns are not tracked after they are purchased and can change hands
guns are not stored properly and stolen and then used in crimes
some people who get guns do not plan on learning about how to store them properly or use them because they want to buy a gun and use it to kill themselves or others
access to a gun in the house is correlated to domestic abuse / murder + suicide (70 women shot by a partner a month)

finally

the data about guns being used to prevent crime like cited by Lott are made up
states that passed stand your ground laws saw homicide rates increase 6-11 percent




if you aren't a moron with an agenda this is clear as day. keep studying, moron!

[::: :::]

This thread was not about some National Guns!!! dilemma until

the title of the thread is a direct reference to doing nothing of substance about gun regulation -- that is exactly the central issue of this thread -- it was not subtle, nor oblique

OP referenced the issue further down the first page in multiple posts, if somehow you got distracted by the example event that provoked the thread


perhaps you just have flies in your eyes on this one...?

[skiJ]

the title of the thread is a direct reference to doing nothing of substance about gun regulation -- that is exactly the central issue of this thread -- it was not subtle, nor oblique

OP referenced the issue further down the first page in multiple posts, if somehow you got distracted by the example event that provoked the thread


perhaps you just have flies in your eyes on this one...?

( twelve dots ) ,,, " If only there was something we could do..." is about Guns??? I don't see the poll on my screen; I only see the Title and the posts. and basinbeater did Not mention guns on the first page.

Not to my reading of the first few ( three? ) days of this thread.


I get it, it became the Guns!!! thread of 2022-2023 ( so acknowledged above )

I went back and re-read all three of basinbeaters posts on the first page ; no mention of guns, three posts about children's Safety.

Guns!!! quickly became the focus of the thread - and you are correct, it is not subtle nor oblique. And That's Not where the thread started. The thread started with Uvalde.


I got distracted by the Articles of Confederation.

Please,,, Go back to Guns!!!


skiJ

[::: :::]

I get it, it became the Guns!!! thread of 2022-2023 ( so acknowledged above )

I don't know how to respond except: no, you don't get it - the thread started with gun regulation. I encourage you to understand that. Or at least consider the idea that maybe you misread OP's intention.

Again: the title of the thread is a DIRECT REFERENCE to doing nothing of substance about gun regulation. Sarcasm regarding the hand wringing, pearl clutching, thoughts/prayers & other intentional non-actions and performative concern in the face of obvious actionionable legislation that a certain lobby intentionally blocks for self-serving reasons.

I can see how maybe you are naive to the statements in basinbeater's subsequent posts on page one since they could be read differently if you didn't understand the thread title reference. To clarify maybe, read the poll options he created; they are gun regulations, not school safety improvements.

Could there be more discussion of school safety? Sure. And there actually was some in the thread, but maybe it wasn't the direction you expected it to go. I doubt many posters upthread are unconcerned about children's safety.

[mcski]

Ski J - come on man. The title is quoting the article headline that The Onion posts every time there is a shooting and our problem w guns. Google it.

[leroy jenkins]

( twelve dots ) ,,, " If only there was something we could do..." is about Guns??? I don't see the poll on my screen; I only see the Title and the posts. and basinbeater did Not mention guns on the first page.

Not to my reading of the first few ( three? ) days of this thread.


I get it, it became the Guns!!! thread of 2022-2023 ( so acknowledged above )

I went back and re-read all three of basinbeaters posts on the first page ; no mention of guns, three posts about children's Safety.

Guns!!! quickly became the focus of the thread - and you are correct, it is not subtle nor oblique. And That's Not where the thread started. The thread started with Uvalde.


I got distracted by the Articles of Confederation.

Please,,, Go back to Guns!!!


skiJ

LOL. Another person saying something that is clearly some sort of magical thinking. this thread started with a poll about what people believe are options about gun control, and the way its worded is clearly biased towards gun control and civilian disarmament.

And the funny thing, is just like the attempt to say someone didn't say making guns harder to get would "solve" suicide, or someone saying there are no other variables that separate america from other countries other than guns,, then other people saying that wasn't what was say even though it was explicitly stated etc, is these weird gaslighting arguments don't do anything to argue the cause of gun control. Violence is a problem. Mental gymnastics and gaslighting about bizarre nonsensical unactual statements aren't needed. You can argue violence is a problem. These kinds of crazy language games are only needed to pretend the issue is 100% black and white and anyone who supports gun rights has literally no valid points whatsoever. You can still disagree with people without doing that. this thread was about guns before I ever posted in it. Its about guns when I'm gone from it for months on end. Its a place for people to get high on outrage dopamine, and fixate their anger in one myopically tiny direction that frees them from being connected to reality in any meaningful way. Then when anyone challenges that most of you seem to almost have an aneurism at the level of cognitive dissonance of the sacred space of your echo chamber actually being disrupted in any way. This thread is honestly one of the strangest corners of the internet I've ever found and most of you seem more unhinged every time I come back here. Its an interesting social barometer.

And its not everyone in here, in fact, I'm pretty sure several of the voices calling out this bizarre 'this thread was never about guns' bullshit are themselves pretty in favor of gun control. You don't have to gaslight people to be in favor of gun control. Honestly this behavior is fascinating. Just like it could be admitted the statement that making it harder to get guns would 'solve' suicide is dumb, or the statement that there are no variables other than guns that separate the US from anywhere else. But there some sort of tribal kneejerk reaction going on. I'm not sure what is the motivation for these gaslighting reality denying attempts from you guys. Must be hard to make it through the day in these modern times or something.

[Cisco Kid]

[bennymac]

That’s a cute story. I remember when I had my first beer.

[Harry]

The escaped convict now has a gun, thanks to a Responsible Gun Owner(tm) who was exercising his Second Amendment right to leave a rifle unattended in his unlocked barn.

[SumJongGuy]

The escaped convict now has a gun, thanks to a Responsible Gun Owner(tm) who was exercising his Second Amendment right to leave a rifle unattended in his WELL REGULATED unlocked barn.

Fixed it for you ;-)

[heckacali]

I'm sure he'd have been just as dangerous with a stolen rake.

[ex-powderbroker]

The grossly negligent and hyper-partisan interpretations of 2A are in direct conflict with Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

[CarlMega]

The escaped convict now has a gun, thanks to a Responsible Gun Owner(tm) who was exercising his Second Amendment right to leave a rifle unattended in his unlocked barn.

That was my first thought too - how reckless to leave a rifle in the garage? Anyway - this ol' coot apparently shot the guy and the convict is dead. Developing story I guess. Guns-guns-guns. 24/7.

[heckacali]

Where did you see he was dead?

Cnn is reporting no evidence the escapee was hit, no blood, etc.
Hunt goes on for the now armed suspect.