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formerly an ambassador for a few others, but the ski industry is... interesting.
Fukt: a very small amount of snow.
Quoting for Gunder. See the one at the bottom of the second chart, the one with the worst performance? That's Boeshield. It also wears out your drivetrain faster and costs you some watts.
Looks like the Wend wax is not represetative of modern chain waxes in that it is terrible. Until one has tried Rex, MSW, or Silca's offerings, one can't really comment on whether wax is better tha drip-on lubes.
Those of us who wax don't need an ultrasonic cleaner because our drivetrains stay clean. A mini crock pot is both cheaper and smaller than even a cheap USC. Plus it's way faster to simply remove the chain and dip it than removing the whole drivetrain to USC it.
The resistance to wax must, at this point, be some kind of near-religious contrarionism. It's a better way to lube one's drivetrain, so anyone continuing to use drip on lubes in the face of this knowledge must have a motive other than performance.
More info: https://zerofrictioncycling.com.au/lubetesting/
But those of you who prefer to keep using drip-on lubes and wearing out your drivetrains faster are actually doing all of us a favor by supporting the industry, so keep on keeping on!
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I typically do not put pulley wheels or any bearings in the Ultrasonic. So No, that drive train had 3500+ miles on it and thats mostly in wet PNW conditions. It all went in the garbage! I just cleaned it one last time to inspect the wear. Most of the wear was on the lower half of the cassette. Which is wear you tend to want it, as that part is almost always made of stronger metal that wears better than the larger rings. I am running a 30 tooth sprocket, when I ran a 32, the wear was mostly in the top half of the cassette. You can pull data that also supports this directly from the SRAM app if you are running an AXS system, but it's still good to inspect the physical wear. The pulley wheels and the front sprocket were toast, along with the chain. Chances are I could have gotten a bit more mileage out of the cassette, but I replaced it all at once. Also notice the wear on the derailleur cage, that derailleur had developed very worn pivots so it got chucked too.
Thats 100% bullshit. You may not think it's dirty, but I assure you wax does attract contamination that does cause wear damage. There isn't a lube in the world that will not attract contamination. It simply does not exist.
Secondly there is a lot of snake oil salesmen in the bike lube industry (bike industry in general). I have zero trust for any of them, let alone a "test" by someone that sells predominantly over priced lubes (with stupid high margins in them). Additionally his digital chain checker uses a cheap Chinese caliper head, those things are notoriously un-reliable or accurate. He's also not testing any of it in real world conditions and is only adding contamination halfway into his tests. In the real world you start to introduce contamination immediately.
Use whatever you like, and whatever you think is best for you, but trying to use bullshit claims to push your favorite snake oil is pointless arguing. I ride with a lot of very high level riders and we all put a shit ton of mileage on our bikes. We all use different lubes (we each have our favorites and all for different reasons) in the same PNW conditions and I can tell you there isn't a single one that provides for a significantly longer lasting drive train. If one really was significantly better than the rest, we would all be using it. At the end of the day a regular deep cleaning and consistent, regular application of ANY lube will provide the longest drive train life.
Also, FWIW Wend is the OEM for many of the other wax brand products out there both for ski wax and bike lube wax....
You guys can suck the fun out anything to do with biking, huh?
Go on...
What part was he lying about?
I've been hot waxing for years now so yes, I've got the process pretty well down and everything JBDJ said was dead on fact.
So, again, what part was a lie?
Actually, the process I use is even faster. I rotate between two chains. By doing so it merely takes the time to take one chain off and put the other on.
The actual rewaxing is done at my convenience. I'll be doing yard work, turn on the crockpot, toss in the chain.
Bonus points for cutting chain wear in half.
Guys, there is a perfectly good "queso" thread for pedantically arguing about the pros and cons of your particular chain lube method of choice.
The funny part is, it isn't even about what is better. No one really argues that.
The misinformation (fake news-again, couldn't resist) is that it's this huge, complicated, time consuming process when, in fact, it's anything but.
It gets tiring hearing people who have never done it talk as if they have.
Worse when they call someone a liar with no knowledge of what their talking about.
This.
Has anyone tried one of those three hot melt waxes specifically and either been disappointed with the performance, or felt like the effort involved was too high?
I worked at a shop that sold Boeshield. Everyone had tried it, no one used it. Have a can of it in my tool chest to use for other things, but not my chain.
Went from Pedro’s SynLube to Pedro’s Icewax, back to SynLube, to Squirt, to trying Silca Super Secret Drip briefly, finally to Molten Speed Wax. (There were others in there, but those were the ones I stuck with for any length of time.). After using MSW there is no way I’m going back.
Gunder, MSW really does stay shockingly clean - in dry conditions. These types of waxes shed wax particles as they wear as well, so dust gets carried out with that.
But water/mud is going to overwhelm the shedding effect and carry contamination inside. If you’re riding in wet/mud either you need to clean the chain constantly (for any lube) or acknowledge that high levels are wear are going to be inevitable due to the grit the water has carried inside and just accept that.
I'm curious where everyone in these lube discussions lives. Is this just a dry climate vs wet climate thing?
It reminds me a little bit of the tire sealant discussions. The desert people have strong opinions about what sealant lasts longest. The northwest people shrug and kinda dump whatever into the tire because it lasts forever.
At least for me said parts are a tax write off. I work just enough in that industry (resorts) to keep it that way.
All lubes shed particles. Nothing different there. Stick your chain in an ultrasonic. I guarantee you there will be a shit ton of contamination, dirt grit and what not left in the bottom when you drain it. Until you actually do that, you cant say there is not contamination and that its "clean".
he started by saying hot waxing is faster and then he said well maybe it takes 3 minutes longer
pro tip Donald trump would never admit he lied
regardless of what anyone thinks about hot waxing pro or con
taking a chain off and putting it back on is gona take more time than not taking a chain off
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OK, going to try this one more time: each application of hot wax takes slightly more time, but I apply it less often, I virtually never have to do any cleaning, and when I do clean, the cleaning takes much less time.
So overall I’m spending less time maintaining my chain this way versus with drip lube. And the chain is lasting much, much longer
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However many are in a shit ton.
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