If only there was something we could do...

[bennymac]

The kids who are obviously into hunting or competition shooting are not the problem. That girl obviously has taken up trap as a healthy hobby. The problem are the kids who have antisocial mental health problems and dumbass parents who are either too checked out, or too lazy to treat firearm security more seriously than they treat the security of their car keys at home.


If the kid is into guns enough to make a hobby out of it, like the girl pictured above, that likely means the parents are spending lots of time and $$ to help her pursue that hobby. That means involved parents who are almost certainly responsible people, and tuned into their kids life.

The problem is being an absentee parent who takes the depressed/antisocial kid shooting a couple time per year to cheer them up and maybe get them interested in something "cool". Having no real idea whats going on with your kid, but training them just enough to be able to find and operate the firearm effectively, but not spending nearly enough time with them on training to actually gain any insight into how the kid is doing.

^^^exactly, so I'm not sure how that pic represents irresponsible gun use in a minor.

That trap shooting kid is the school shooter

[Trackhead]

That trap shooting kid is the school shooter

I see. That picture isn't a representation of irresponsible firearm use, however.

Trap, rifle, and handgun shooting is an Olympic sport in Canada and elsewhere.

[californiagrown]

That trap shooting kid is the school shooter

Damn, no shit? I guess we wait to see how responsible the parents were with the firearms in the house.

[::: :::]

fundamentally, the problem is treating guns too casually:
like recreational equipment or a hobby or most egregiously a lifestyle, and not a tool for killing (animals or humans, take your pick) that is useful in certain environments and acting accordingly with serious safety protocols.

Pretending guns aren't immediately lethal. ("Guns don't kill people...")

Failing to live up to the "responsible gun owner" totem through casual treatment of firearms in the home (allowing unsupervised access to kids/teens) or in public (pretending you want to live in a society where everyone around you is armed [which is an amazing leap for the same people who insist that they need to be armed because public space is not reliably safe]).

Doubling down by introducing guns to people who might otherwise not find them independently: pretending guns are essential to modern life in opposition to overwhelming evidence to the contrary; convincing the spouse to carry "for self defense" as part of putting out the 2A vibe; introducing kids to target shooting who wouldn't otherwise be hunting; finger-in-ready-position family christmas cards; advertising guns as part of personal branding or lifestyle or collecting; open carry to demonstrate which political team you're on; creating no-permit legislation; fear mongering to the gullible (THEYREGUNNATAKEYERGUNZ); etc, etc, etc

People demonstrate over and over and over that they will misuse guns.
Leaving use decisions to "personal responsibility," as is encouraged currently, evinces the increasing and accelerating volume of problems for public safety.

[MultiVerse]

"I don't like Mondays. This livens up the day." --- Brenda Ann Spencer America's first school shooter in 1979

[bennymac]

I see. That picture isn't a representation of irresponsible firearm use, however.

Trap, rifle, and handgun shooting is an Olympic sport in Canada and elsewhere.

I’m not at all against responsible gun ownership/trap shooting, target shooting etc.

I’m against people who hand wave away gun violence with 1) they just need Jesus in schools 2) they must not have been taught responsible gun use 3) it’s just weird incel boys who play violent video games 4) it’s just the antidepressants they’re all on etc etc etc

83 school shootings can’t be hand waved away with distractions and excuses like that

(to be clear my comments are not directed at you Trackhead)

[Trackhead]

(to be clear my comments are not directed at you Trackhead)

I didn't take it that way.

Agreed with your post above 100%. It's infuriating/terrifying, especially having a 13yr old son.

We, in the United States, need to pull our heads out of our asses. Yet, because of our politicians/society numbness, it seems like an impossible task. it's utterly fucking ridiculous to think of a modern society that doesn't find all these shootings a tragedy.

[PNWbrit]

I see. That picture isn't a representation of irresponsible firearm use, however.

The KMFDM t-shirt is a bit of a red flag though.

Google around for images of the father too. Seems like a responsible gun owner type.

[skiJ]

I see. That picture isn't a representation of irresponsible firearm use, however.

Trap, rifle, and handgun shooting is an Olympic sport in Canada and elsewhere.

Damn, no shit? I guess we wait to see how responsible the parents were with the firearms in the house.

I have avoided this thread for a very long time ;
what I thought was a thread about school safety became the 'GUNS' thread of the 2020s --

The picture is of the fifteen year old girl who took a gun to school and shot eight people ;
the picture comes from her father's Facebook page.

I will argue knowing Who the picture is of, and What she did with her 'gun handling Experience', it certainly led to violent gun use ( two people were murdered ; others remain in critical condition ).
( I am not going to argue language like responsible / irresponsible ( firearm) use. )

two people were murdered -
perhaps we can absolve the fifteen years old killers parents, by claiming 'the parents were responsible with the firearms in the home' .
Their fifteen year old daughter murdered two people ( it may become more ).

The fact that shooting is an Olympic sport escapes me in it's importance to the murders.

killings like these challenge the idea that USofA is a "modern society" to me.

back to 8,000 posts of hand-wringing.

( / end of rant )

tj

[Mazderati]

Hard to see pictures of the shooter as a smiling little girl with arms wrapped around her dog.

[CarlMega]

Marksmanship is a compelling and, dare I say, a normal pastime. Let's not pretend that's what's going on in the USA. It wasn't enough to be sensible about your hobby, we had to make it really fucking weird.

[Trackhead]

The KMFDM t-shirt is a bit of a red flag though.

Google around for images of the father too. Seems like a responsible gun owner type.

Sure, but only if you google the history of Columbine. It is pretty gnarly foreshadowing.

[PNWbrit]

Sure, but only if you google the history of Columbine. It is pretty gnarly foreshadowing.

Clearly she and probably Dad did.

[Trackhead]

Clearly she and probably Dad did.

Maybe dad did? Not sure how anyone on TGR would factually know that at this point unless it’s been mentioned by police already?

[Conundrum]

Totally not a trend or anything...

Or we need more covid.

[frorider]

The KMFDM t-shirt is a bit of a red flag though.

Google around for images of the father too. Seems like a responsible gun owner type.

All I recall about KMFDM is they’re an industrial metal band that writes songs against violence, terrorism etc.

[heckacali]

I saw them in concert 2x in the 90s. Good times.
I've never shot anyone.

[PNWbrit]

All I recall about KMFDM is they’re an industrial metal band that writes songs against violence, terrorism etc.

Columbine shooters.

[JimmyCarter]

They hate depeche mode

[subtle plague]

If we're back in the late 90s, the solution is to blame Marylin Manson and more Jesus, obviously.

[Dantheman]

Damn, no shit? I guess we wait to see how responsible the parents were with the firearms in the house.

Clearly not responsible enough.

[J. Barron DeJong]

Clearly not responsible enough.

She was apparently obsessed with school shootings prior to being given a gun. I’d suggest that’s irresponsible.



https://shatterzone.substack.com/p/t...school-shooter

[PNWbrit]

They hate depeche mode

Who doesn't?

[XXX-er]

Or we need more covid.

but then instead of getting shot people died of covid

[Conundrum]

but then instead of getting shot people died of covid

You're really a glass is half empty kind of guy huh?