If only there was something we could do...

[byates1]

It's not hard to understand. Holding parents "responsible" will not bring back dead kids. Sure, this example in GA may have been egregious (although he might not have broken any laws) but most permissive states dont have storage requirements, allow basically anyone to buy and carry, etc.

Red flags laws clearly don't work.

What works everywhere else is making people prove they are responsible. That the weapons are cared for. Knowing where they are. We need to adjust the way we look at guns to prevent this kind of thing from happening all of the time. There is a way to do that while still permitting qualified people to buy/hold/hunt whatever. Some good old bureaucracy an solve problems - and just adding red tape and expense - would save lives too.

You are also wrong that gun laws are voted on. Trump did the bump stock law by executive order. We haven't had meaningful legislation since the Brady Bill or Assault Weapon Ban 1994 that expired in 2004? Coming around on three decades for something the public wants proves how dumb and ineffective our politics are. We should be able to make them vote on shit like this, but there is one party that is bought and paid for. I forget which one and don't want to hurt anyone's feefees by getting political.

Gun laws work, but they would be a lot better if it wasn't a patchwork of shit decided by states because guns are pretty easy to move around.

Waste of time explaining this to people who just want to put fingers in their ears and complain about video games or phones though.

The US is a patchwork of states. Some w vastly different ways of life. Just wishing immediate sweeping outlawing of firearms is all fine and dandy until -reality.

The deep blue states have done a thorough job of making firearms inaccessible. NYS, try signing up for whatever class you need to - like a 2 yr wait. Purposely preventing ppl from buying firearms.

Cali- mag restrictions. Can't get those. Most weapons don't have them available. Hence -guns illegal.

These laws were created and voted into existence.

[ex-powderbroker]

nowhere did i say “ban guns”. it’s so weird how if anyone says anything about making guns harder to get all gun freaks hear is “ban guns”.

instead of letting a broken home loser going through a divorce from his druggie wife buy multiple ars, imagine asking

why do you need it
how will it be stored
where’s your insurance

any combination of possible questions to keep guns out of people’s hands who obviously shouldn’t have them.

are you arguing with the results? because a bunch of dead kids is not a good result.
throw in 30k suicides, all of the stolen ones from cars going to criminals etc and

WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING

[byates1]

There’s smart and dumb and everything in between people in every country.

There are great and horrible/deplorable parents and everything in between in every country.

Yet in the US the 2a morons just say “don’t even worry about it bro - the US gun problems will be solved with votes. And good parenting and charging the parents after the fact. And oh yeah more Jesus in the schools”

Go ahead and say that to the parents of the dead kids - I’m sure they are sorely missing your comforting words and reassurance.

Why don't you enlighten us as to the incredibly easy task of doing away w 2a. You sound like a smart guy. Should be fairly simple. I'd love to hear your plan.

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Let me know what other basic concepts I can help you with

How about: how do you propose to control parenting?

[byates1]

I would just start using colons for everyone's names.

[ex-powderbroker]

Gun laws are voted on and will continue to be.

Why don't you enlighten us as to the incredibly easy task of doing away w 2a.

So is legislating easy or not?

[byates1]

Yes. I'm guessing you lean left. I think you live somewhere in New England. A lot of those states have legislated around the 2a "problem". Highly restrictive. NYS now background check for ammo. MA,CT,NJ, basically illegal. Everyone I know who owns firearms won't for a second consider bringing them there, me included.

I just drove to NYS from MT. Not worth it to travel w a handgun. Not at all. Asked a NYS trooper for clarification when I was home. He said he won't travel w guns when off duty.

NH was just voted as the most gun friendly state. Live free or die. so a patchwork.

The US is 50 countries nextdoor to each other.

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I would just start using colons for everyone's names.

just empty deflection, much like blaming “parenting”

“personal responsibility“ next

[Dantheman]

are you arguing with the results? because a bunch of dead kids is not a good result.
throw in 30k suicides, all of the stolen ones from cars going to criminals etc and

WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING

Check out this SWU interview with what appears to be a fantastic cop. Towards the end he asks her about the most dangerous aspect of her job. Answer: everyone has a gun.

[byates1]

just empty deflection, much like blaming “parenting”

“personal responsibility“ next

So you believe in 0 need for solid parenting and taking 0 accountability. Can I buy you a couple ar's?

[Cisco Kid]

Let me guess. You aren't a parent and don't know any.

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So you believe in 0 need for solid parenting and taking 0 accountability. Can I buy you a couple ar's?

How does a nation of “50 countries” make this happen?
Please be specific

[MagnificentUnicorn]

So you believe in 0 need for solid parenting and taking 0 accountability. Can I buy you a couple ar's?

Now we’re back to a straw man argument. Of course good parenting is important. Accountability for one’s actions and those that they are responsible for is important. That has nothing to do with the ease of access to firearms, the thing that concerns the majority of people in this country. The cause of all the gun violence isn’t bad parenting and lack of personal responsibility is ease of access, legal or otherwise. Can you grasp that?


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[ex-powderbroker]

there’s no legislating around 2a anymore, if there ever was:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_..._Inc._v._Bruen


bunch of people shot from an overpass today:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/kentucky-...5-shooting.amp

[Ted Striker]

The deep blue states have done a thorough job of making firearms inaccessible.

Bullshit.

I live in a deep blue part of a solidly blue state. I could get an AR style gun in one hour - and most of that time would just be driving. I could buy a .22 at the local hardware store or any .243 up to 30.06 rifle at the hunting/fishing store that's walking distance from my house. Or I could go old school with a 12 ga shotgun.

CPL is dead easy in this state too, although you do have to be 21. But if you can't get one, that's ok, there's a guy running a ghost gun factory out of his (father's) house. Or maybe I should say was because he was raided by the swat team a few months ago. But he wasn't the only one.

[ex-powderbroker]

more than have of guns used in crimes in Illinois come from other “countries”

https://abc7chicago.com/amp/chicago-...laws/11937013/

[TStriker]

[mcski]

Why don't you enlighten us as to the incredibly easy task of doing away w 2a. You sound like a smart guy. Should be fairly simple. I'd love to hear your plan.

Perhaps if SCOTUS went back to interpreting the 2nd as it was intended instead of this ridiculous revisionist originalism charade we could have sensible laws without the impossible task revising the amendment. Rulings didn’t start carrying water for the gun nuts until the 1970s. Nearly 200 years of some rational gun laws undermined

[XXX-er]

No where near that many guns up here but a buddy with good Calgary connections told me he could get an AR in an afternoon

with close to half a billion guns in the USA I don't see how it was hard for all them guns to get out there

nor would hard for anybody to get one ?

[byates1]

Bullshit.

I live in a deep blue part of a solidly blue state. I could get an AR style gun in one hour - and most of that time would just be driving. I could buy a .22 at the local hardware store or any .243 up to 30.06 rifle at the hunting/fishing store that's walking distance from my house. Or I could go old school with a 12 ga shotgun.

CPL is dead easy in this state too, although you do have to be 21. But if you can't get one, that's ok, there's a guy running a ghost gun factory out of his (father's) house. Or maybe I should say was because he was raided by the swat team a few months ago. But he wasn't the only one.

What state and city

[heckacali]

I like Jane

[Ted Striker]

What state and city

Washington. Any city.

You're right about it being 48 "countries" without borders.

[byates1]

Illegal.

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[Cisco Kid]

No one said they could get a "legal" auto firing rifle in WA in an hour. But I could make 2 phone calls and set up a buy in 15 minutes.

[Ted Striker]

My point was that illegal doesn't stop anything. If you know where to go, you can buy the parts to convert bolt action to semi.