The Dynastar Thread

[TAFKALVS]

The 192 MF 108 and 190 MF 108 have VERY similar weight, flex and rocker with the MF 112 having less taper, a less directional sidecut and a longer turning radius. MF 112 should be very stable and precise carver.

The sidecut is less directional/more symmetrical on the 112 so the sidecut Center will be more forward than the MFree 108. The SF 110 has -2cm lines from it’s -3.5cm rec point for directional/traditional skiers but I have good success at -3cm on my SF 110. Can’t see if the MF 112 has similar markings?
Any further back than -3cm/-6.5cm total from rec wouldn’t gain you much more float/stability but you’d start to lose on playfulness and turn initiation I bet.

I’m still going to mount my pair in the wrong spot for science

[Bandit Man]

Attachment 505684
As requested

108, 112, 118

Contact points on the 108 and the 112 are the same. Taper looks basically the same.

Are we sure the sender 110 isn’t a copy of the Mfree 108?

My completely uneducated take is that the SF110 is a copy of the M-Free 108 and that the M-Free 112 is a twist capitalizing on the success of the SF110. They are all so close in terms of design and shape with the guts/layup giving either a Dynastar or Rossi feel.

To me the SF110 is the more precise, better behaved twin of the M-Free 108. It “fixes” the things some people dislike about the M-Free (lots of camber and tends to drift a bit) and gives better length options. I like both, but find the M-Free more “exciting” to ski.




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[TAFKALVS]

The length thing is funny to me, the 192 Mfree 108 is identical in length to the 190 112. And both are significantly shorter than the 192 mpro 108 (which based on your pics in the FS thread looks suspiciously similar to the sender squad which is a “194”)

I’m not saying that any of the skis are identical but I think it’s more like degrees of separation since they are the same company and they share a lot of the same factories etc.

[bearcub69]

My completely uneducated take is that the SF110 is a copy of the M-Free 108 and that the M-Free 112 is a twist capitalizing on the success of the SF110. They are all so close in terms of design and shape with the guts/layup giving either a Dynastar or Rossi feel.

To me the SF110 is the more precise, better behaved twin of the M-Free 108. It “fixes” the things some people dislike about the M-Free (lots of camber and tends to drift a bit) and gives better length options. I like both, but find the M-Free more “exciting” to ski.

also uneducated..

but the mfree 108 more of its own ski the way its so surfy, loose, etc.. more tapered. designed to be an easier, slimmer, but similar to the mfree 118 in ways..
SF 110 really is a mix of the Black ops and sender skis
Mfree 112 is the dynastar version (layup/shape) of the sf110

[Bandit Man]

also uneducated..

but the mfree 108 more of its own ski the way its so surfy, loose, etc.. more tapered. designed to be an easier, slimmer, but similar to the mfree 118 in ways..
SF 110 really is a mix of the Black ops and sender skis
Mfree 112 is the dynastar version (layup/shape) of the sf110

You said it better than me. 100% agree. [emoji41]

[TAFKALVS]

Mounted at -5.5 from recommended. So definitely going to die. Hit metal on all holes so still in the binding mount plate.

[SkiLyft]

Looks a bit better, if I grab a set likely would go -[emoji640]


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[Bandit Man]

More photos for the M-Free/Sender 110 cloning conspiracy theory.

191 Sender 110 (L)
192 M-Free 108 (R)

[kid-kapow]

Mounted at -5.5 from recommended. So definitely going to die.

What is a little bit of death if one can scream "For science!" while going down in a puff of pow? I applaud you taking one for the team

[TAFKALVS]

Looks a bit better, if I grab a set likely would go -[emoji640]


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I matched my mfree108 mount exactly, which is -1.5 from recommended. The tail feels stout, but it’s definitely more rocker than the Mfree. Probably gonna die.

[SkiLyft]

Oh, for sure!! Death is imminent.


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[oetk2]

Hasn't snowed in a week but the groomers and chop were perfect for these. Short hike to some packed pow on top of rocks for a core shot too!

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[byates1]

Got on the og lpro's yesterday I bought up thread. Such a good ski. Damp cruiser. Will be the daily on scrapey meh days. Which will be in abundance in Taos.

[bearcub69]

PSA

a few pairs of mfree 112 for $637 on bluezonesports.com with promo code for thanksgiving sale

[detrusor]

Cored my Aurelian Ducroz LP’s at the Bird yesterday. Bummer.

Oh well

[TAFKALVS]

112 hot take:

Conditions: 3 - 5” over bulletproof raincrust, firm groomers, variable wind deposit.

It’s definitely a dynastar.

It’s more a Mfree 108 than a 118

It’s a playful charger. Plenty of beef for me at 5’ 10” 220lbs. Felt damp, composed, but also found myself popping off little lips and stuff. Less bouncy on chop than the Mfree 108

No regrets on my mount decision, which was significantly behind recommended and lines up where I mount 108s.

The shape is a little more sidecut driven but not locked in and very fun/loose in soft snow. Probably 10% less surf in pow.

Handles groomers great, a touch more fun than the 108. You can find an edge faster and it initiates/completes turns a little cleaner.

If your 108s are clapped, you like the sounds of the above and you want a replacement, buy these instead.

If you wish the 108 was a little stiffer in the tip, buy these.

I see no reason why this wouldn’t make a 1 ski quiver for someone.

[SkiLyft]

Yuppppp, loving the sounds of that!!


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[Iowagriz]

What is the consensus on where to mount the Protos? I'm mounted on the line, and they ski long to me. I'm always left with the feeling that I need to get more forward on them in order to get them to engage and turn quicker/responsively.

6', 190#, 60yrs old, old school carver/racer.

Maybe I'm just getting slower as I age, or maybe I just enjoy a short turn radius, and these are too long (r24).

Do I cut bait and sell? Or, move the mount forward several cm?

[waxoff]

^^^^ That sounds like a delta/ramp issue to me. Have you skied the same boot-binding combo on any other skis before and liked it? Or pivots without the Gripwalk base plate?

I'd fiddle with delta before redrilling.

[GBB]

If your 108s are clapped, you like the sounds of the above and you want a replacement, buy these instead.

sold

[Iowagriz]

^^^^ That sounds like a delta/ramp issue to me. Have you skied the same boot-binding combo on any other skis before and liked it? Or pivots without the Gripwalk base plate?

I'd fiddle with delta before redrilling.

Hmmmm... you might be onto something.

My daily is an old pair of Exp100s. I love those skis, and with their short radius, they are a blast. However, I am on newer boots and made a post asking about ramp angle with those boots. I'll have to research and play with those first. Coming from race boots to these had seemed to mess with my turns.

Thanks, good catch!

[XavierD]

Any consensus on where the 185 108 compares to the old 182? Same ski just slightly longer or closer to the 192??

[forty]

What is the consensus on where to mount the Protos? I'm mounted on the line, and they ski long to me. I'm always left with the feeling that I need to get more forward on them in order to get them to engage and turn quicker/responsively.

6', 190#, 60yrs old, old school carver/racer.

Maybe I'm just getting slower as I age, or maybe I just enjoy a short turn radius, and these are too long (r24).

Do I cut bait and sell? Or, move the mount forward several cm?

i dont have too many days on my protos but i certainly dont find them to ski long, they feel a little short if anything
did you detune tip/tail much?
i aggressively detuned up to taper, if the tip is still sharp it might be trying to engage before it gets into the sidecut and causing some weirdness for you
i do find them to have just a little of bit of lp/xxl dna in them, they feel kinda dead until get up to speed and then become playful and easy to make shapes as long as keep the pace up
im also on the line with pivots and kryptons, 6'3'' 185lbs ex shitty racer as a kid and now old and broken

[kid-kapow]

More photos for the M-Free/Sender 110 cloning conspiracy theory.

so the theory is that somebody in the Rossi group looked at the BO118 (which the SF110 is damned near to being a narrower version of), made the narrower version of it in the MF108 after trying it out on the MF118 adding some more tapered tips and different construction, and then stuggled for years to muster the courage to release a BO/SF110 - aka a narrower BO118 with titanal underfoot to have them be more precise.

That could very well be - that sounds oddly plausible

I am excited to hear if the Artist is still alive and how that project is going

[TAFKALVS]

so the theory is that somebody in the Rossi group looked at the BO118 (which the SF110 is damned near to being a narrower version of), made the narrower version of it in the MF108 after trying it out on the MF118 adding some more tapered tips and different construction, and then stuggled for years to muster the courage to release a BO/SF110 - aka a narrower BO118 with titanal underfoot to have them be more precise.

That could very well be - that sounds oddly plausible

I am excited to hear if the Artist is still alive and how that project is going

I posted my notes above, it’s a pretty awesome ski even at -9