The Dynastar Thread

[noslow]

According to data on soothski, flex pattern, geometry and weight are pretty much identical between the 191 SF 110 and 190 MF 112.

Saw that too on Soothski and figured they would be very close but still surprised how even weight was identical.
Still strange how the 183 MFree 112 measured weight is so close to the weight of the longer versions of both.
Curious to see if that pair is an outlier and if the 25 SF 110 184cm is heavier this year too.

[TAFKALVS]

L to R

192 Mpro 108, 192 mfree108, 190 mfree112, 189 Mfree118, 182 mpro 108, 190 HL SE116

The 112 is a touch longer than the mf108, shorter than the mpro108, and the HL. 3cm longer than the 118.

Binding mount position on the 112 is 4cm forward of the previous Mfree. I will probably mount back in alignment with the older Mfree line, as the sidecut, flex and rocker don’t seem any different. Tail is plenty stout for a more rearward mount imho.

[Bandit Man]

L to R

192 Mpro 108, 192 mfree108, 190 mfree112, 189 Mfree118, 182 mpro 108, 190 HL SE116

The 112 is a touch longer than the mf108, shorter than the mpro108, and the HL. 3cm longer than the 118.

Binding mount position on the 112 is 4cm forward of the previous Mfree. I will probably mount back in alignment with the older Mfree line, as the sidecut, flex and rocker don’t seem any different. Tail is plenty stout for a more rearward mount imho.

Man that rocker profile on the 112 looks nice. I hope the 112 is a 108 kind of ski that’s just little better floater for the deep days.


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[SkiLyft]

Ooooh baby, wanna ski the 112 next to the r11O!!!


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[waveshello]

L to R

192 Mpro 108, 192 mfree108, 190 mfree112, 189 Mfree118, 182 mpro 108, 190 HL SE116

The 112 is a touch longer than the mf108, shorter than the mpro108, and the HL. 3cm longer than the 118.

Binding mount position on the 112 is 4cm forward of the previous Mfree. I will probably mount back in alignment with the older Mfree line, as the sidecut, flex and rocker don’t seem any different. Tail is plenty stout for a more rearward mount imho.

ATKs on the MF108 is wild. A couple years ago I saw that some insta pro had skied Denali on MF108s--I thought that was crazy until I skied them most days last season, now I get it, but... Yeah, they're not light!

[TAFKALVS]

ATKs on the MF108 is wild. A couple years ago I saw that some insta pro had skied Denali on MF108s--I thought that was crazy until I skied them most days last season, now I get it, but... Yeah, they're not light!

They’re way lighter with ATKs than CAST! And way lighter than XXLs with dukes and scarpa Tornados or Explosivs with Fritschi Freerides and Scarpa Spirit 4s and all the other bullshit we used to ski on. ?

Primarily driven by not having the touring ski I wanted in stock, and having skins for the Mfree due to a CAST setup and just saying “fuck it”. I ended up not skiing on them last year due to life and crappy conditions for touring, but definitely will this year.

[sf]

L to R

192 Mpro 108, 192 mfree108, 190 mfree112, 189 Mfree118, 182 mpro 108, 190 HL SE116

The 112 is a touch longer than the mf108, shorter than the mpro108, and the HL. 3cm longer than the 118.

Binding mount position on the 112 is 4cm forward of the previous Mfree. I will probably mount back in alignment with the older Mfree line, as the sidecut, flex and rocker don’t seem any different. Tail is plenty stout for a more rearward mount imho.

Tell me about skiing the 118s vs the HLs. I have mine standing next to each other in the basement, but with exactly 1cm of snow it'll be a while until I get on either one

[kid-kapow]

marketing blurb and graphic aside - isn't the SF112 and SF110 the exact same ski?

[TAFKALVS]

marketing blurb and graphic aside - isn't the SF112 and SF110 the exact same ski?

Everyone keeps repeating that line but I have a hard time believing that. Maybe the same camber mold but the tip and tail shape look different, the dimensions are different, and I’m pretty sure the layup is different.

[noslow]

Also think that the dimensions and shapes are almost identical(extreme tips/tails more round on SF) between the SF 110 and MF 112 but their layups are different.
SF 110 with a standard wood core and rubber for damping vs the PU around a wood core in the MF 112.
AirTip on the SF 110 might make swing weight a touch lighter and the PU tip to tail would dampen differently so they should still feel different on snow.

[bearcub69]

TAFKALVS,

would you be willing to post a pic of the tops of the mfree 108 next to the new 112?
I was under the impression that the new 112 is more similar to the sender free 110, but it seems as if the 112 has a bit more taper.

I along with Bandit man am hoping its more of a wider mfree 108 than a sender free 110 with a different layup/tip shape

[Bandit Man]

Everyone keeps repeating that line but I have a hard time believing that. Maybe the same camber mold but the tip and tail shape look different, the dimensions are different, and I’m pretty sure the layup is different.

The shapes and weights are crazy close, But that layup is going to be the differentiator, IMO. I have the 191 Sender 110 and the thought of that shape with the Dynastar Hybrid Core layup seems like it would be ideal for the PNW.


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[D(C)]

The shapes and weights are crazy close, But that layup is going to be the differentiator, IMO. I have the 191 Sender 110 and the thought of that shape with the Dynastar Hybrid Core layup seems like it would be ideal for the PNW.


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What would you anticipate being the difference in feel between constructions?

[kid-kapow]

The MF118 was always labeled as having the hybrid core, something it clearly didn't - so I do not much trust the Rossi group marketing team. Did somebody say something about the stated lengths be imaginary too (re mf99 185 vs mf108 182)?

I did not think to put the pair of MF112 I fondled last winter atop the pair of SF110s they had in the shop atop one another or flex them back to back.

but by all means, I would love for them to be different. Two slightly different takes on the same shape would be awesome, especially if somebody could convince them to make a third as well ( a touring layup). I must admit to not expecting them to produce a touring version anytime soon as it it took them what 10 years to realize that a BO118 in a 110 guise would be viable, even if it would be an instant cult classic.

[jackattack]

The MF118 was always labeled as having the hybrid core, something it clearly didn't

you're saying the core of the MF118 is wood laminate without any polyurethane stringers?

[TAFKALVS]

I think it does, it wouldn’t make sense that they didn’t add the PU stringers seeing as the entire legend line prior, including the “legend factory” which was the Cham 117 2.0 which was a very similar ski to the 118 had it.

[kid-kapow]

My bad - to be more precise - yeah, it sure has PU stringers / sidewalls, yet the construction in the 118s is very different than that (relatively narrow wood strip in the middle with wide PU sections) in both 99 and 108 versions. So the precise statement would be that the Hybrid Core construction in 118s is seemingly a fair bit different than in the two later skis. So my bad.

So sure, Hybrid Core could be interpreted as variations on a theme, and not a particular formula. So sure, if you want to put aside the presentations of Hybrid Core as was present in the 99/108s, the 118 had it too. It sure has PU. Yet the center strip adopted by 99/108 iterations is way different than it ever was in the 118.

re

I think he must have misunderstood. The marketing guys would've made a huge fuss about the 118s having the hybrid core if it did. Besides, it is kinda easy to tell - both 99s and 108s have these lines in the top sheet or it is somewhat translucent - and the 118 does not have that set of lines.
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Very reminiscent of this no? It is easier to see on the 108s, but both of the narrower skis have them - the wider does not.
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From the 21/22 catalogue:
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It would be interesting to know how the 118s and BO Gamers (page 42-43) differ construction wise.

Evo specified that the original PR-OTOs had something Dynastar called Powerdrive Free Construction. The catalogue doesn't show the PR-OTO though - it was seemingly a later edition, only a wider Legend Factory. Wrong wood though.
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I do not know what the 118s construction looks like re the above - I think it is a straigth up poplar core with glass/diago fiber without any of the extra bells and whistles mentioned above, but perhaps one of the proper Dynastar heads can chime in?

anyway, my bad - the main idea behind the post was to say "I do not take everything Rossi group marketing people say at face value". Too bad the inprecision in my post catered to the same

[TAFKALVS]

As requested

108, 112, 118

Contact points on the 108 and the 112 are the same. Taper looks basically the same.

Are we sure the sender 110 isn’t a copy of the Mfree 108?

Excited to mount these. The slightly taller tail rocker and beefier flex has me excited. I think I’m going to mount at -8.5 from center (mirroring my mfree108 mount) for science.

[SkiLyft]

Oh man, If that one-twelve is a touch stiffer than the one-o-eight and retains the ability lay trenches on groomers I think I’ll be grabbing a pair!

[Lantern]

I just mounted my 112’s with Cast, a few mm ahead of the dimples, basically to be right on -3 from center.
Hoping to ski them in the next couple days and I will report back. I loved skiing them last year when I had a demo pair for a few days. Coworker got a pair too and went -1.5 from recommended.



They look small next to the hellbents though

[SkiLyft]

Holy center mount batman!!!


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[noslow]

The 192 MF 108 and 190 MF 108 have VERY similar weight, flex and rocker with the MF 112 having less taper, a less directional sidecut and a longer turning radius. MF 112 should be very stable and precise carver.

The sidecut is less directional/more symmetrical on the 112 so the sidecut Center will be more forward than the MFree 108. The SF 110 has -2cm lines from it’s -3.5cm rec point for directional/traditional skiers but I have good success at -3cm on my SF 110. Can’t see if the MF 112 has similar markings?
Any further back than -3cm/-6.5cm total from rec wouldn’t gain you much more float/stability but you’d start to lose on playfulness and turn initiation I bet.

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They look small next to the hellbents though

Wait wait - we need more info on the hellbents with Pontoon graphics….


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[Upinsmoke]

[QUOTE=nickwm21;7158671]Wait wait - we need more info on the hellbents with Pontoon graphics….


+1

[Lantern]

I really enjoyed my 192 MF108s at +2.5 but definitely felt like I wanted something more locked in on edge and a bit more pivot so I think the 112 should tick the boxes.

As for the hellbents… Well they’re the first version with the pontoon rocker so I’m guessing just a mistake from the factory.


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