Which Pivots? Why no thread?

[2FUNKY]

So the toe on a pivot binding does not have enough downward travel in the front of the toe to properly release a boot vertically. Not even close. So just to reinforce my statement and known mechanics of the binding I lowered the din on a pair of 18’s. Put a boot in, used a long lever to try to get the boot to release vertically to no avail due to the lack of space under the toe that will not allow the front of the toe to travel down enough to allow the boot to release.
Now a twisting reverse fall it will release but that is not purely vertical, it’s at an angle. Pretty sure we/I was trolled into doing this. I also don’t believe marketing speak as they used their words very carefully to not mention it nor admit to it.


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[::: :::]

@OP I just got some pivot 12s — usually go 14 but like you only ride DIN around 9.5
Corbetts had em for cheap once you account for the Canadian peso

[J. Barron DeJong]

So the toe on a pivot binding does not have enough downward travel in the front of the toe to properly release a boot vertically. Not even close. So just to reinforce my statement and known mechanics of the binding I lowered the din on a pair of 18’s. Put a boot in, used a long lever to try to get the boot to release vertically to no avail due to the lack of space under the toe that will not allow the front of the toe to travel down enough to allow the boot to release.
Now a twisting reverse fall it will release but that is not purely vertical, it’s at an angle. Pretty sure we/I was trolled into doing this. I also don’t believe marketing speak as they used their words very carefully to not mention it nor admit to it.


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Pics or it didn’t happen!

(Honestly not surprised, but I think the marketing is misleading in that case.)

[Hood26]

How much are you even saving with the 12s? The 15s are less than $275 from my boy Bob. Metal > plastic

Thanks for the lead. I hadn’t seen that when searching. Haven’t ever bought from them before.

I grabbed a pair of 3.0 Forza 15s for $271 and free shipping.

I wish they still had solid orange or pink.

Also, dumb me all my other skis have 14s. Haven’t ever had a pair of 12s.

[phatty]

Thanks for the lead. I hadn’t seen that when searching. Haven’t ever bought from them before.

I grabbed a pair of 3.0 Forza 15s for $271 and free shipping.

I wish they still had solid orange or pink.

Also, dumb me all my other skis have 14s. Haven’t ever had a pair of 12s.

You can get 15s from Corbetts for under $200 shipped.

[ASmileyFace]

On the topic of next years and brake sizes... it looks like the 105mm brake will work with the 2.0 & 1.0 versions. Only the two new colors, blue steel 2.0 & "Super Edition"

[Shorty_J]

I don't personally know if 15s release vertically, but I have also recently committed to the spx 12.

I'm not hard on my gear, not very rad, and I personally have never blown out of the current version when I didn't think I should have. I also run DIN 8.

And they are cheaper. And easier to set forward pressure.

And way easier to step into than the old axial 3.

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[east or bust]

Didn’t watch this with sound on so not sure what this guy is trying to show, but based on the movement of the toe I’d agree with those saying pure upward release isn’t possible.

https://youtu.be/oy6Ej6HiUM8?si=xTbdjq1SErLQQrVj


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[Hood26]

Just some noisy boots in that video. He didn’t talk at all.

I have a pair of SPXs on 90mm skis. They do their job.

I Checked Corbetts just now and they would have been $20 cheaper, but I wanted the 115 and those were sold out. 95 probably would have bent to fit 110mm but I think the 115 will fit easier. Maybe need a little bending still.

The blue steel coming out look pretty slick.

[phatty]

Looks like blue steel and Super Edition in my future.

[Core Shot]

You will definitely release all kinds of ways with the garbage plastic toe because that pile of dog shit flexs and spreads like your mom's vag. Metal for the win. I ski pivot because I want retention out of my bindings not release.


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That’s the trg spirit!
And posted at 4:20

[frorider]

Now a twisting reverse fall it will release but that is not purely vertical, it’s at an angle. Pretty sure we/I was trolled into doing this. I also don’t believe marketing speak as they used their words very carefully to not mention it nor admit to it.


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Correct. Actual engineer here who often worked with Marketing and Legal to get the technical claim language correct.

Maybe one day FloridaMan will reread that marketing claim & realize what it is and is not saying.

[J. Barron DeJong]

Correct. Actual engineer here who often worked with Marketing and Legal to get the technical claim language correct.

Maybe one day FloridaMan will reread that marketing claim & realize what it is and is not saying.

Also an engineer here. One who has never worked on marketing claims.

I buy that they’re trying to be careful with their claim. But what’s your interpretation of them saying all toes ‘protect the skier in all cases of falls, including rear and combined falls’?

Specifically, what’s the ‘protection’ being referenced in a straight rearward fall? (Since if it’s not straight rearward it’s combined or lateral.)

The fact that it moves vertically a little is the ‘protection’?

What if a binding manufacturer were to make a binding that didn’t release at all, just moved a little in each direction. Could they sell it as offering ‘protection’?

I’m not trying to be argumentative, just probing to get your perspective.

[XXX-er]

technician here

who made it work

[J. Barron DeJong]

technician here

who made it work

Plenty of technicians and mechanics who have helped make my stuff work, or work better.

[XXX-er]

My support guy would call the engineers in the factory who would say " that can't happen "

but of course it did and we made it work anyway

[Shaaarrrp]

Thanks for the lead. I hadn’t seen that when searching. Haven’t ever bought from them before.

I grabbed a pair of 3.0 Forza 15s for $271 and free shipping.

I wish they still had solid orange or pink.

Also, dumb me all my other skis have 14s. Haven’t ever had a pair of 12s.

Sweet! Bob is legit. You might not receive anything about the order for a week and wonder if its a scam, but it'll come. Usually seems to take 7-10 days from order to delivery date.


One nuance of that site is prices on many items change literally daily and they often price certain sizes differently. Took about a month of pressing F5 before they dropped 28.5 shadows to $398 from $750. The entire time they were pricing other sizes quite low so I figured 28.5 would eventually drop.

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[Crystal Skier]

On the topic of next years and brake sizes... it looks like the 105mm brake will work with the 2.0 & 1.0 versions. Only the two new colors, blue steel 2.0 & "Super Edition"

thanks for this^^^I imagine at some point we’ll be able to buy the 105 brakes separately.


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[Hood26]

Supposition on why the Pivot 18 is being offered in black with 75mil brakes? Is this a push to get folks to buy the 2.0? If that’s the case why so many offerings in the 15? Based on the offerings, it looks like the 15 is the most popular.

[CHAIR_97]

Supposition on why the Pivot 18 is being offered in black with 75mil brakes? Is this a push to get folks to buy the 2.0? If that’s the case why so many offerings in the 15? Based on the offerings, it looks like the 15 is the most popular.

18 with 76mm is for racers duh

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[The Tortoise]

And/or the freestyle skiers.

[Jason4]

As someone who started skiing late in life I'm Pivot-curious. How much better are Pivots? I've gone through a fair number of skis in the last 5 years just getting a feel for what changes with width, length, flex, and camber curves but my bindings have stayed relatively constant with Tyrolia Attack demos, Shifts, and ATKs. What difference should I expect to feel if I mount a pair of Pivots? I typically ski with my DIN at 8, it sounds like the P15 is the sweet spot for most people but will I get much advantage from that over the P12? I'm not dropping anything or hitting jumps on skis, my pace in bumps is moderate.

[big kook]

Sweet! Bob is legit. You might not receive anything about the order for a week and wonder if its a scam, but it'll come. Usually seems to take 7-10 days from order to delivery date.


One nuance of that site is prices on many items change literally daily and they often price certain sizes differently. Took about a month of pressing F5 before they dropped 28.5 shadows to $398 from $750. The entire time they were pricing other sizes quite low so I figured 28.5 would eventually drop.

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Jesus Christ. I just learned what F5 does.

[EWG]

As someone who started skiing late in life I'm Pivot-curious. How much better are Pivots? I've gone through a fair number of skis in the last 5 years just getting a feel for what changes with width, length, flex, and camber curves but my bindings have stayed relatively constant with Tyrolia Attack demos, Shifts, and ATKs. What difference should I expect to feel if I mount a pair of Pivots? I typically ski with my DIN at 8, it sounds like the P15 is the sweet spot for most people but will I get much advantage from that over the P12? I'm not dropping anything or hitting jumps on skis, my pace in bumps is moderate.

I have Pivots, SPXs and Attacks in my quiver. I'm happy with all of them. I like the Attacks a lot, actually, and for some skis it's nice to have a little bit of BSL adjustment so you can share them with others.

Demo bindings, on the other hand, change the feel of the ski to me.

[Jason4]

I have Pivots, SPXs and Attacks in my quiver. I'm happy with all of them. I like the Attacks a lot, actually, and for some skis it's nice to have a little bit of BSL adjustment so you can share them with others.

Demo bindings, on the other hand, change the feel of the ski to me.

I went with demo bindings so I could play with the mount point trying to get a feel for how a ski changes as I move the mount forward and backwards. I think I understand that better now and wouldn't buy another pair of demo bindings. I do like to be able to change boots or share skis with friends though and it seems like Pivots are a commitment to one specific boot with the ski it's mounted on.