Which Pivots? Why no thread?

[Hood26]

Shopping pivots. I have always just bought 12s to save money. My highest recommend DIN is 9.5, so why buy anything but the 12? I know that the 15s and up are metal toe and metal is better than plastic for longevity and usually strength.

While shopping I found that J’s had the best price (good on them for being a great ski company) and their description says for skier 160lb and lighter, and they got me thinking because J knows his shit, but no one else, including Look, say anything about weight limit.

What say you all?

[t-the-east]

I started this one a few months ago

Look Pivot 12 vs 14- anyone skiing hard on 12’s ?

https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=355983

Went for the 12’s on a new pair of Devastators. I’ve been skiing hard on them all winter. Highly recommend

[CHAIR_97]

Dead horse

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[dcpnz]

Weight is only one piece of the puzzle as to what din you want/need.
12/14 toe has the split wing toe which I believe some claim to offer a form of vertical release. 15 does not. If you’re a backseat kind of skier then maybe the 12/14 toe is beneficial.

[FloridaSnow]

Weight is only one piece of the puzzle as to what din you want/need.
12/14 toe has the split wing toe which I believe some claim to offer a form of vertical release. 15 does not. If you’re a backseat kind of skier then maybe the 12/14 toe is beneficial.

common misconception. The 15/18 also has vertical release. Just works different. The entire toe piece moves as opposed to the wings on the 12/14.

check the link for the illustration

https://www.look-bindings.com/technologies

[XavierD]

common misconception. The 15/18 also has vertical release. Just works different. The entire toe piece moves as opposed to the wings on the 12/14.

check the link for the illustration

https://www.look-bindings.com/technologies

It moves upward to provide some elasticity but not enough travel to enable a true vertical release. It does enable release beyond just horizontal, but I think you’d be hard pressed to get anything within 30-40 degrees of vertical. Put an Uber soft spring in there and you still won’t get a vertical release out of the metal toe. 12/14 full drive toe enables vertical release but requires significantly more force than lateral release. Also been hashed out multiple times over the years on here. But yeah, I’m pretty sure there is a multiplayer thread called something along the lines of ‘the pivot thread’ which has been going on for close to a decade.

[Hood26]

Dead horse

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So dead it doesn’t even show up in the search. Begs the question why no dedicated Pivot or Look thread one could read through?

Sorry for asking for more harm to our poor dead Dan who died long ago in a Marty Robbins’ song while looking for water.

Where is this oasis of the Pivot Thread (is it the one in Gear Swap?) because all I have found are mirages?

Maybe a bump by a kind or frustrated mag and I will nuke this one and never start another.

[FloridaSnow]

It moves upward to provide some elasticity but not enough travel to enable a true vertical release. It does enable release beyond just horizontal, but I think you’d be hard pressed to get anything within 30-40 degrees of vertical. Put an Uber soft spring in there and you still won’t get a vertical release out of the metal toe. 12/14 full drive toe enables vertical release but requires significantly more force than lateral release. Also been hashed out multiple times over the years on here. But yeah, I’m pretty sure there is a multiplayer thread called something along the lines of ‘the pivot thread’ which has been going on for close to a decade.

again this is just incorrect and needs to stop being parroted. All look pivot toes have multi directional release including vertical. The site won’t let me post the examples as they’re too large. If you simple click the link you’ll see the animation showing vertical release on 15/18

[FloridaSnow]

Here’s a screen shot of the animation for the 15/18 showing vertical release. The website shows it in action.

[Shaaarrrp]

How much are you even saving with the 12s? The 15s are less than $275 from my boy Bob. Metal > plastic

[dcpnz]

The toes are clearly different and function differently. One is called a “ full action toe piece” and has split wings to facilitate certain modes of release. The other is called an “aluminum racing toe“. Whether it moves enough in that plane that Floridasnow’s graphic shows to release vertically is debatable. Look’s verbiage is quite obfuscatory, most likely deliberately. Study the stuff on the look website and draw your own conclusions based on your risk tolerance.

[CHAIR_97]

You will definitely release all kinds of ways with the garbage plastic toe because that pile of dog shit flexs and spreads like your mom's vag. Metal for the win. I ski pivot because I want retention out of my bindings not release.


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[Lord Thomas]

I've been using the split toe 12/14's for a long time and have never had a release when I didn't need it....or it not release when I did need it. Generally I've found that I'm comfortable running my DIN in Look clamps a little lower than most other clamps (eg Attack's) because of the retention provided by the elasticity in both the toe and heel. For what it's worth, I weigh well north of 200lb and tend to not ski very slow or on groomers. YMMV

[XavierD]

Here’s a screen shot of the animation for the 15/18 showing vertical release. The website shows it in action.
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Grab an actual look 15/18 toe and see if you can get it to go high enough to release vertically. It won’t. Put in the softest spring you can. Doesn’t matter. Multidirectional, yes, vertical, no.

[FloridaSnow]

Grab an actual look 15/18 toe and see if you can get it to go high enough to release vertically. It won’t. Put in the softest spring you can. Doesn’t matter. Multidirectional, yes, vertical, no.

Lol at hand flexing a binding. Multi directional means in multiple directions. Including vertical. They literally have the animation on their website. Some random dude trying to claim he knows more than look is laughable at best.

if YOU want to ignore the facts that’s fine. Pivot 15/18 toes absolutely have vertical release no matter how much you parrot false information