Ukraine

**twat** · 09-24-2023, 01:50 PM

Ukraine is fighting with a careful tactic in the south. When will the tanks come in the play. When the Russians start running? And then chase them with tanks?
Or will the tanks secure reoccupied territory?

Do tanks need air support to be effective. Guess with drones and satellites the war is different then in the old days of tank battles.

**Toadman** · 09-24-2023, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by twat

Ukraine is fighting with a careful tactic in the south. When will the tanks come in the play. When the Russians start running? And then chase them with tanks?
Or will the tanks secure reoccupied territory?

Do tanks need air support to be effective. Guess with drones and satellites the war is different then in the old days of tank battles.

Got to make sure that those Russian Helis are not an issue for the tanks to start making progress. Not to mention the millions of land mines that are probably strewn all over Crimea and the Donbass.

**riser4** · 09-24-2023, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by twat

Ukraine is fighting with a careful tactic in the south. When will the tanks come in the play. When the Russians start running? And then chase them with tanks?
Or will the tanks secure reoccupied territory?

Do tanks need air support to be effective. Guess with drones and satellites the war is different then in the old days of tank battles.

**LongShortLong** · 09-24-2023, 04:10 PM

Hard to guess what an armor breakthrough needs to succeed these days. Or what can stop it. Seems a minefield works. Arty is dangerous and may work. Some arty lays mines, that should work. Helicopters may work. Drones may work. Last year, Kharkiv area was weakly defended, and that succeeded for a few days. We don't know what tricks Ukraine might have used to further enable it. Given also the (non) reaction to Prigozhin's Moscow raid, it could be the Russians were surprised/fooled last year thus slow to react, and now a new armored raid must contend with Russians who can't get fooled again.

Hopefully, it's still doable, and Mariupol is liberated by tonight. Google says it's 2.5 hours from Orikhiv, and reports no road issues (20 minutes longer via Tokmak). So, uh, let's goooo!

**ötzi** · 09-24-2023, 05:32 PM

Pretty good piece (so far) on the war on 60 minutes right now. Getting the message out that it's a good deal and that Russia must be defeated.

**Cisco Kid** · 09-24-2023, 05:47 PM

Sadly, some of the effectiveness of tanks to support the infantry will be lost over the winter when the battleground is 90% a muddy quagmire.

PB · 09-24-2023, 07:07 PM

Question: have we reached the drone-on-drone stage yet?
Seems inevitable.

**ötzi** · 09-24-2023, 07:58 PM

It's all drones these days.

**dunfree** · 09-24-2023, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by PB

Question: have we reached the drone-on-drone stage yet?
Seems inevitable.

that was a couple months back at least - full on drone dogfight

**twat** · 09-24-2023, 11:17 PM

Originally Posted by PB

Question: have we reached the drone-on-drone stage yet?
Seems inevitable.

High mobile air Defense drones

Should be possible to have ai identify shahed drones and fly into them. Go scientists Go

**LongShortLong** · 09-25-2023, 02:41 AM

Originally Posted by twat

High mobile air Defense drones

Should be possible to have ai identify shahed drones and fly into them. Go scientists Go

For extra credit, dock with it and reprogram the target. Also refuel if needed. And slap a "return to sender" sticker on it.

**ex-powderbroker** · 09-25-2023, 08:18 AM

The Abrams have landed

**Toadman** · 09-25-2023, 12:09 PM

What the Ukrainians need to do is figure out an efficient way of dealing with mines.

**skaredshtles** · 09-25-2023, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by Toadman

What the Ukrainians need to do is figure out an efficient way of dealing with mines.

There was that one Uke farmer that had set up a remote control tractor built to de-mine fields... it was probably posted in this thread awhile back?

ETA: Found the story: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ds-2023-05-02/

**dunfree** · 09-25-2023, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by twat

High mobile air Defense drones

Should be possible to have ai identify shahed drones and fly into them. Go scientists Go

radar guided AA guns seem to work well at lessconsummable cost, but higher capital outlay. They fly as fast as a sopwith camel

**TBS** · 09-25-2023, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by twat

High mobile air Defense drones

Should be possible to have ai identify shahed drones and fly into them. Go scientists Go

It’s already possible. Just ping the craft’s transponder. Incorrect return ping = kill.
The issue, as Dunfree points out, is how to destroy a cheap kamakazi drone cheaply.

**Cisco Kid** · 09-25-2023, 01:15 PM

Drone deployed Spider Man net.

**TBS** · 09-25-2023, 10:40 PM

Adm Victor Sokolov, commander of Russian Black Sea Fleet was killed Fridays bombing of Black Sea Fleet
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ow-2023-09-25/

After the strike on the headquarters of the Russian Black Sea Fleet, 34 officers died, including the commander of the Russian Black Sea Fleet. Another 105 occupiers were wounded. The headquarters building cannot be restored," Ukraine's special forces said on the Telegram messaging app.

You know this has to spook the Orcs. AFU can track their high-ranking officer’s movements, evade their missile defenses, and set off fireworks when they congregate. And report details on casualties.

Somebody on the inside?
Cracked their comms? Were Orcs communicating on unencrypted cell phones again? Help from NSA?

**twat** · 09-25-2023, 11:50 PM

Originally Posted by TBS

Adm Victor Sokolov, commander of Russian Black Sea Fleet was killed Fridays bombing of Black Sea Fleet
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ow-2023-09-25/

You know this has to spook the Orcs. AFU can track their high-ranking officer’s movements, evade their missile defenses, and set off fireworks when they congregate. And report details on casualties.

Somebody on the inside?
Cracked their comms? Were Orcs communicating on unencrypted cell phones again? Help from NSA?

Killed sounds very harsh, let’s say, he intercepted a cruise missile.