Ukraine

[LHutz Esq]

Ya it is almost as if Russia should not have invaded an independent country, requiring them to defend themselves.

[J. Barron DeJong]

How many people died this year, on both sides?
And how much money was spent? 50 billion?

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And therefore Russia should go the fuck home, right? Right?

And that map shows two points in time, doesn’t show what happened during the five months Russia was on the offensive during that time, followed by what’s been happening for the four months that Ukraine has been on their counter-offensive.

Also, who the fuck gets their news from Zero Hedge?

[bennymac]

How many people died this year, on both sides?
And how much money was spent? 50 billion?
And look at the map in this article to see how much territory each side won: negligible.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...us-ukraine-war

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#bothsides

[MultiVerse]

Ya it is almost as if Russia should not have invaded an independent country, requiring them to defend themselves.

Yeah, Putin, having invaded, with the intention of winning rapidly by exploiting perceived Ukrainian weakness, now fears an outcome that exposes his own. Out of options, the only goal is to survive long enough in the futile hope that pro-Russisn candidates can win Western elections and save the day.

[jono]

Also, who the fuck gets their news from Zero Hedge?

People who are too smart (SIC) to just browse on over to TASS or RT directly.

I do think it's cool that he admits stuff that rational people would accuse him of, though.

[skaredshtles]

<snip>
Also, who the fuck gets their news from Zero Hedge?

Dumfuks, that's who. Now quit quoting him.

[LHutz Esq]

Yeah, Putin, having invaded, with the intention of winning rapidly by exploiting perceived Ukrainian weakness, now fears an outcome that exposes his own. Out of options, the only goal is to survive long enough in the futile hope that pro-Russisn candidates can win Western elections and save the day.

Exactly - we are somewhat lucky here in Canadaland, even our right wing guy says he supports Ukraine. (may have something to do with the large Ukraine population right smack in the middle of the heartland of his constituency) However, I've seen Russian flags flying amoung the "Freedom Convoy" protest folks. But who knows - maybe they just got their Dutch flags from a discount site?

I think the best thing folks that value democracy can do is makes sure this fringe doesn't gain power anywhere.

[twat]

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Whateva you posted there it doesn’t matter! You know that and the rest knows that. But I give you some credit!
You are a real person with your opinion.
You are not hiding your face.
Yes I respect that.
Rod I changed my mind many times. Sometimes I was wrong in the beginning and right later. Sometimes u know, not!
Go deep inside you and listen to your heart! If it says putin well! If it says Zelenskyy well! It is what it is.

At least you not worry anymore about the Europeans with the gas shortage. Now you worry about soldiers in the trench. Well. You worry about something! And the 50 billion of scrap metal send. The cheapest way fucking the ruskies evva.
And since murica blew up the pipes they make Hughe money on lpg shipments and arms contracts with Poland and Romania. You see, nato cahback points.

[MultiVerse]

To answer the question how many dead and at what cost, according to the military budget of the Russian Federation the Kremlin is spending an equivalent of US$300 million a day on its war and has spent ~US170 billion on the war as of August 23':

$26 billion on compensation for KIA
$21 billion on compensation for wounded
$34 billion on equipment losses
$36 billion on military salaries
$52 billion on military provisions

According to the Russian Military budget the payout for wounded soldiers is $42K with $69K paid to the families of soldiers killed in action. Which means Russia has ~372,000 KIA and ~510,000 wounded for a total of around 900,000 casualties.

Russian losses in recent months are at much higher levels than last year. So the main reason why Russia is holding the line compared with last year is because they are willing to suffer enormous casualties by allowing its own army to be destroyed in Ukraine.


Budget source: https://forbes.ua/war-in-ukraine/za-...16092023-16050

[rod9301]

To answer the question how many dead and at what cost, according to the military budget of the Russian Federation the Kremlin is spending an equivalent of US$300 million a day on its war and has spent ~US170 billion on the war as of August 23':

$26 billion on compensation for KIA
$21 billion on compensation for wounded
$34 billion on equipment losses
$36 billion on military salaries
$52 billion on military provisions

According to the Russian Military budget the payout for wounded soldiers is $42K with $69K paid to the families of soldiers killed in action. Which means Russia has ~372,000 KIA and ~510,000 wounded for a total of around 900,000 casualties.

Russian losses in recent months are at much higher levels than last year. So the main reason why Russia is holding the line compared with last year is because they are willing to suffer enormous casualties by allowing its own army to be destroyed in Ukraine.


Budget source: https://forbes.ua/war-in-ukraine/za-...16092023-16050

I don't know the true number of Russian killed, but I'm sure it's substantial.

This shows though that they are serious about keeping the territory they occupied. And that additional weapons for Ukraine will not change anything except more people will die.

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[mcphee]

Cono’s Jewish now? All this time getting his dick kicked in by youguys anytime he mentions Ukrainainian Nazi’s and now he’s got Bubbeh and bubbee stories? Lol

[rod9301]

Whateva you posted there it doesn’t matter! You know that and the rest knows that. But I give you some credit!
You are a real person with your opinion.
You are not hiding your face.
Yes I respect that.
Rod I changed my mind many times. Sometimes I was wrong in the beginning and right later. Sometimes u know, not!
Go deep inside you and listen to your heart! If it says putin well! If it says Zelenskyy well! It is what it is.

At least you not worry anymore about the Europeans with the gas shortage. Now you worry about soldiers in the trench. Well. You worry about something! And the 50 billion of scrap metal send. The cheapest way fucking the ruskies evva.
And since murica blew up the pipes they make Hughe money on lpg shipments and arms contracts with Poland and Romania. You see, nato cahback points.

Sure, Russia occupied Ukraine. Reasons of not, at this point it doesn't matter.

Russia will not give up what they occupied, and more weapons will not change this, just more people will die. And Russia has more people.

Ukraine is getting destroyed, and yeah, no American soldiers are dying, but don't Ukrainians or Russians matter?

Everybody says Putin, but he's safely in the Kremlin. It's the 22 year old Russians who are dying.

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[bennymac]

Negotiate with terrorists for peace and they’ll switch to good behavior. That’s always an effective strategy.

Just forgive and forget the unforced invasion of a sovereign nation and all the war crimes. At this point in time “that doesn’t matter”.

[J. Barron DeJong]

Is Rod really this naive, or just disingenuous?

Pretty sure my 11-year-old daughter has better reasoning skills.

[MultiVerse]

This shows though that they are serious about keeping the territory they occupied. And that additional weapons for Ukraine will not change anything except more people will die.

Things are changing every. single. day. as Russia becomes increasingly isolated. However slowly, Ukraine is advancing. Russia is on the defensive in the Black Sea. Kazakhstan will now follow the sanctions regime against Russia, its President Tokayev says. Russia recently gave up its ally Armenia and retreated after Azerbaijan shelled Russian bases killing Russian troops. Chechnya is on the brink. Russia is begging North Korea for weapons, which is like Goldman Sachs going to a pawnshop for a cash injection. Russian Finance Minister Anton Siluanov says inflation in Russia is not a problem, "If you don't buy, prices are fine." The reality is, Russia is not attacking because Russia is running out of options.

[Meadow Skipper]

…additional weapons for Ukraine will not change anything except more people will die

Well, it certainly increases the chances of Ukrainians getting their country back from invading imperialist Russians. Which would be a good change, imho.

Sure, Russia occupied Ukraine. Reasons of not, at this point it doesn't matter.

I strongly suggest you go to Kyiv and let them know that.

[LHutz Esq]

https://alaskapublic.org/2022/07/06/...-us-sanctions/

Looks like Russians may want Alaska back.

According to rodlogic(tm). US should probably just give it to them to avoid any bloodshed or dance interruptions

Sorry Alaskans- for the better good.

[TBS]

To answer the question how many dead and at what cost, according to the military budget of the Russian Federation the Kremlin is spending an equivalent of US$300 million a day on its war and has spent ~US170 billion on the war as of August 23':

$26 billion on compensation for KIA
$21 billion on compensation for wounded
$34 billion on equipment losses
$36 billion on military salaries
$52 billion on military provisions

According to the Russian Military budget the payout for wounded soldiers is $42K with $69K paid to the families of soldiers killed in action. Which means Russia has ~372,000 KIA and ~510,000 wounded for a total of around 900,000 casualties.

Russian losses in recent months are at much higher levels than last year. So the main reason why Russia is holding the line compared with last year is because they are willing to suffer enormous casualties by allowing its own army to be destroyed in Ukraine.


Budget source: https://forbes.ua/war-in-ukraine/za-...16092023-16050

And during this same time US has provided or committed $43 billion.
That’s a 4:1 payoff on bankrupting a major adversary- without loss of US life.
Way better return than Rod’s investments in Russia, no?

[twat]

Hey Rod, getting hammered here by 10 guys ain’t no fun. Only for expressing your personal opinion.
The pictures of Ukrainian soldiers with no limbs are hardcore.

As long this 25 year old Ukrainians pick up weapons to fight against Russia. They deserve all the help we can give them. Do you want to sent them on the front with knifes and homemade shields?

Young Ukrainians from west Ukraine hate Russia to the core. They want to join the freedom of the west. These guys have studied and want the capitalist Europe to be their future.

Man, you or your family emigrated to the west! not east!
Wake up.
Just imagine your life lifing in Russia not America. You could not express your opinion publicly!
You would not have money to invest anywhere. And some freak could send you to a foreign frontline at any time.


Russian soldiers matter too.
Sounds to me like.
White lives matter too.

[Hood26]

Wagner group back on the front and their new leader is back in the Kremlin.

Here’s to hoping he too tries a coupe.

[J. Barron DeJong]

https://x.com/andrewfeinberg/status/...sR_NcRK2VkCfkg

Not speaking about Ukraine, but might as well be.

This is what Cono and Rod don’t seem to get.

No one should be put in a position where they need to risk their lives to protect their country and preserve their chosen way of life. But that’s the situation Ukrainians have found themselves in. They are going to fight, and die, to preserve their way life even if they don’t get US aid. Limiting that aid is just going to make their fight harder and cause more death on their side.

[LHutz Esq]

Sure, Russia occupied Ukraine. Reasons of not, at this point it doesn't matter.

Russia will not give up what they occupied, and more weapons will not change this, just more people will die. And Russia has more people.

Ukraine is getting destroyed, and yeah, no American soldiers are dying, but don't Ukrainians or Russians matter?

Everybody says Putin, but he's safely in the Kremlin. It's the 22 year old Russians who are dying.

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Sure and when Russia occupies Alaska the reason why shouldn’t matter.

My guess though is that some of those Alaskans are going to choose to fight and die rather than be ruled by Putin.

But you’re right, better not arm them so that they will die quicker and take less Russian lives with them.

Putin is not going to change his mind

Back to the dance


There is a great interview with the Estonian president. She basically calls it. Ukrainians can either die protecting their territory or in Siberian gulags. Russia wants them dead either way.

Estonians know what it was like to be under Russian colonization

[Toadman]

US paid $7 million for AK back in 1867. That would be about $150 million in today's dollars. But, if you take into account all the improvements made since the purchase, along with oil and mineral discoveries, with an estimated 7-8 billion barrels of recoverable oil to boot and mineral extractions of roughly $3.5 billion annually; my back of the napkin calculation would be about $80-$85 trillion dollar sale price. Of course Russia would have to come up with that lump sum cash in either USD's or possibly a combination of cash in kind oil/mineral/gold deliveries. Possibly trade some land in Russia to sweeten the pot.

[LHutz Esq]

US paid $7 million for AK back in 1867. That would be about $150 million in today's dollars. But, if you take into account all the improvements made since the purchase, along with oil and mineral discoveries, with an estimated 7-8 billion barrels of recoverable oil to boot and mineral extractions of roughly $3.5 billion annually; my back of the napkin calculation would be about $80-$85 trillion dollar sale price. Of course Russia would have to come up with that lump sum cash in either USD's or possibly a combination of cash in kind oil/mineral/gold deliveries. Possibly trade some land in Russia to sweeten the pot.

Nope they want it, they can just walk in and grab it.

If you fight back people will get hurt

#rodlogic

[Cono Este]

How many people died this year, on both sides?
And how much money was spent? 50 billion?
And look at the map in this article to see how much territory each side won: negligible.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...us-ukraine-war

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It’s trench warfare. The soviets are very good at it. They’ve built three line of fixed defenses in some places. They’re not going anywhere unless Ukraine has air superiority, which has proven to be difficult for either side with modern manpads and sams. 200 rusty f-16’s, with 30 yr old radar, wouldn’t even make a difference. Meanwhile they’re pumping out shells faster than we are, recruiting while we argue which bathroom to use.

I’d love to go back and quote all the fools, in what may be the dumbest corner of the intra web, but I’ll just watch them flush their grand fathers country down the toilet instead.