Tour de France 2023 (spoilers welcome.. watch the fkn race)

[Dee Hubbs]

We calculated 50km/h for 16.4kms, and 30km/h for the 6km climbing.
For 32 :00 minutes.

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huh, well, I guessed at 31:15, but from the looks of cavangna's time , that won't be in the right world...lol

[AlpiNord]

Love him or hate him, there was some interesting TT discussion from Lance, George, etc from The Move yesterday:

[video] https://youtu.be/H1-mSKTXbQk[video/]

Including the final climb:




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[TBS]

Welp, picked the wrong guy to win, but was off 2sec on fastest time
Amazing rides!

[Benneke10]

Damn good calculation Dee Hubbs! I guessed 31:41 kinda randomly.. maybe those few points will decide the entire game between Kat5 and I... its close

[EWG]

Holy crap what a time trial Vingegaard just threw down on the table. I was not expecting a 1 minute plus win. Good god.

Also, it is a sad commentary on the history of the sport that upon seeing that beat down I immediately start asking myself if he's clean...

EDIT: also, we have a very nice battle shaping up for 3rd and not a terrible fight for 5th either. While tomorrow may not be as fun as hoped with the big gap at the top, those lower battles might be pretty fun. And there's no reason for Pogacar to play it safe, so hopefully he does something fun tomorrow to at least give it a try...

[panchosdad]

Pogacar a minute plus better than the field and still loses by a minute and a half. I'm a very casual follower, but that seems like a great ride by him and a truly phenomenal one by Vingegaard.

[huckbucket]

"In a 22.4km TT Vingegaard put almost 3 minutes on Wout van Aert" <-- that's nucking futs

I'd feel worse about it if Vin arrived at the line breathing through his nose, but he clearly went very, very, very deep.

[waveshello]

After WVA crossed the line I was thinking I really screwed up with my projection of 33:03, but Pog and Vingo--Good night--I screwed up in the other direction. That was sick!

[buttahflake]

Jonas got the good juice this morning, something doesn’t add up.

[Dee Hubbs]

I think Vinn even surprised himself today.

[jackattack]

I hope they all left something in the tank for tomorrow's stage!

[chaka]

going to be a pretty amazing stage tomorrow watching UAE go for broke on the final climbs of the Tour. JV gets to let UAE do all the work, just defend against any attacks. Maybe they send Wout up to try to nab polka dot for the team and have someone ahead in case needed.

[waveshello]

Matteo Jorgenson abandoned before the start today, unfortunately--sounds like he's banged up from sunday's misadventure.

[waveshello]

going to be a pretty amazing stage tomorrow watching UAE go for broke on the final climbs of the Tour. JV gets to let UAE do all the work, just defend against any attacks. Maybe they send Wout up to try to nab polka dot for the team and have someone ahead in case needed.

45 KOM points up for grabs tomorrow... There could be a lot of movement in this top 10:

[EWG]

45 KOM points up for grabs tomorrow... There could be a lot of movement in this top 10:

Also 3rd and 4th place are separated by maybe 10 seconds, and 5th-8th is about 1:30, so lots of GC folks have plenty to fight for still. Hoping we see fireworks.

[dcpnz]

Holy crap what a time trial Vingegaard just threw down on the table. I was not expecting a 1 minute plus win. Good god.

Also, it is a sad commentary on the history of the sport that upon seeing that beat down I immediately start asking myself if he's clean...

You’re not alone.
I guess historically TT is early in race so the specialists have fresh legs but I don’t recall a GC guy smashing the field by that much in a short TT before. [emoji15][emoji15]

[EWG]

You’re not alone.
I guess historically TT is early in race so the specialists have fresh legs but I don’t recall a GC guy smashing the field by that much in a short TT before. [emoji15][emoji15]

7w/kg for 20 minutes day after day at the end of the stage is just quite a lot of watts. Velonews article is calling it the highest of the modern era.

I really want to see Vin's numbers for the TT.

[jackattack]

You’re not alone.
I guess historically TT is early in race so the specialists have fresh legs but I don’t recall a GC guy smashing the field by that much in a short TT before. [emoji15][emoji15]

Last year JV clinched yellow in the TT (stage 20?) and sat up in the final km to give the stage to Wout, but the margin was lower last year.

[sirbumpsalot]

Damn good calculation Dee Hubbs! I guessed 31:41 kinda randomly.. maybe those few points will decide the entire game between Kat5 and I... its close

Wish I knew that stupid slide predictor was really worth pts in the competition. Cost me what 70-80pts to everyone here!

[JayPowHound]

Wish I knew that stupid slide predictor was really worth pts in the competition. Cost me what 70-80pts to everyone here!

I got 53pts with a low-ball guess at 30 min flat.. underestimated the climb.

Had Jonas as my stage winner though, I definitely thought it would be closer but it's looked to me like he has the better legs all around. Pog can jump him for a few hundred yards or so but when they each ride alone after the jump Jonas has caught up time and time again.

Thinking tomorrow will be a day for the breakaway. Just a matter of seeing who gets in it. Wout going for polka dots isn't out of the question in my mind.
Powless hasn't looked great since the first week, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him not get another point.

[AlpiNord]

Holy crap what a time trial Vingegaard just threw down on the table. I was not expecting a 1 minute plus win. Good god.

Also, it is a sad commentary on the history of the sport that upon seeing that beat down I immediately start asking myself if he's clean...

EDIT: also, we have a very nice battle shaping up for 3rd and not a terrible fight for 5th either. While tomorrow may not be as fun as hoped with the big gap at the top, those lower battles might be pretty fun. And there's no reason for Pogacar to play it safe, so hopefully he does something fun tomorrow to at least give it a try...

Seems like Pogacar will have to attack hard in breakaways. Could his team block/slow the Pelaton to give him room?

Can't say I didn't wonder a bit about juicing, but regarding JVs performance, he looked worked way past a huge pain threshold and effort. He seemed genuinely surprised with the result. Everyone is fried in the tour and Jonas has been carried for most of the races by his team doing the heavy lifting for long pulls. So it's possible he simply had more left in the tank

Knowing members of the Kuss family and friends of theirs as well as Sepp's amazing history & character, I refuse to believe if there was a hint of juicing that he would have anything to do with the team or do what he's done to help Jumbo Visma and Jonas.

[doebedoe]

Kuss with a top 15 in the TT, and sitting within 2mins of a top 5 as a domestique is damn impressive.

Rumors of his demise have been greatly exaggerated.

[AlpiNord]

Kuss with a top 15 in the TT, and sitting within 2mins of a top 5 as a domestique is damn impressive.

Rumors of his demise have been greatly exaggerated.

A friend said he was told by his mom that Sepp is not interested in being in the hot seat of the lead but content in his domestique role. If that attitude changed, you have to wonder how well he could do against Pogacar among others coming up.

[gavinski91]

After today's result, does UAE try to provide a bit of support to Yates to try and secure a double podium? Seems unlikely (barring a huge attack tomorrow) that Pogacar catches Vingegaard at this point.