23/24 Gear Rumors

[skisurfmirth]

Why hope it flops instead of hoping it fits and skis just as well as the current?.....having said that I've emailed the local rep to see what he left of the old one just in case haha

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Haha yeah. Wish them the best. Hope they see the errors of their ways.

[Kreemcheese]

Plum brings out a new line of bindings for next winter with some sort of release/ rotation in the toe-piece (ATK EVOish?) If my memory serves me correct they will bring back the name Caribou and dump the name Summit. Also new brake system that seemed much more reliable.

And the most interesting part, weight is shaved for the pika which is now going to be 235 or 245grams (sorry for the fuzzy info) without brake but with their version of a freeride-spacer

[SoVT Joey]

You shouldn’t stockpile, especially if your a 26… cause there will be less for me to stockpile. I hope the new boot flops or the sell the molds to someone who will keep making them.

I was talking to a shop guy IRIPONSNOW hooked me up with locally yesterday, while I was putting my foot in a Lupo before ordering them last night. He had his foot in the new cabrio. His feeling was that the new boot would be just as good as the krypton if not better in fit. Plus they come with the new cascade lock. If your concern is removing the tongue and using it for touring that’s where the problem is. Tongue doesn’t remove but the ROM is really decent in this years with the tongue in and I never removed my tongues on my full tilt ascendant either. So I don’t know. But I grabbed a lupo in case.

[jmars]

Alright, who's got the skinny on the Lange Shadow boot? Dual rear attachment points for a "kinetic???" spine - elastomer flex adjustment.....Mo info needed

Need more info for sure

[GoldenBC]

Shadow is a little roomier than LV RX. There are no cuff rivets. The only solid attachment are the ankle rivets. The cuff projects below the ankle rivets and has a cut out for an elastomer that is fixed to the lower shell. So it acts as a bumper as you flex forwards. There is another elastomer bumper at the top of the cuff that is engaged via a “Salomon walk mode spine”. That elastomer is engaged via the shear forces between the cuff and the spine.

Looks goofy. Might work well despite elastomers largely being abandoned for suspension use. I’ll be curious how temperature sensitive it is but that’s an issue with traditional shells too. I’m curious if you can change elastomers to change flex.

[XavierD]

Shadow is a little roomier than LV RX. There are no cuff rivets. The only solid attachment are the ankle rivets. The cuff projects below the ankle rivets and has a cut out for an elastomer that is fixed to the lower shell. So it acts as a bumper as you flex forwards. There is another elastomer bumper at the top of the cuff that is engaged via a “Salomon walk mode spine”. That elastomer is engaged via the shear forces between the cuff and the spine.

Looks goofy. Might work well despite elastomers largely being abandoned for suspension use. I’ll be curious how temperature sensitive it is but that’s an issue with traditional shells too. I’m curious if you can change elastomers to change flex.

Lange has earned the benefit of the doubt from me as their boots have always placed ski performance as a premium, but… I’m skeptical

[skisurfmirth]

I was talking to a shop guy IRIPONSNOW hooked me up with locally yesterday, while I was putting my foot in a Lupo before ordering them last night. He had his foot in the new cabrio. His feeling was that the new boot would be just as good as the krypton if not better in fit. Plus they come with the new cascade lock. If your concern is removing the tongue and using it for touring that’s where the problem is. Tongue doesn’t remove but the ROM is really decent in this years with the tongue in and I never removed my tongues on my full tilt ascendant either. So I don’t know. But I grabbed a lupo in case.

I mostly tour in my Hoji 110 but do tour in my dalbellos from time to time, especially off the skihill. Using a Lupo carbon TI scaffo and krypton 130 cuff. Removable Tongue is a must for me. I really like the no walkmode but tech fitting fittings option, which will no longer be offered. I’m gonna keep my eyes open for a 2023 kryptons.

[XavierD]

I mostly tour in my Hoji 110 but do tour in my dalbellos from time to time, especially off the skihill. Using a Lupo carbon TI scaffo and krypton 130 cuff. Removable Tongue is a must for me. I really like the no walkmode but tech fitting fittings option, which will no longer be offered. I’m gonna keep my eyes open for a 2023 kryptons.

You modified your boots to have no walk-mode, but a fixed tongue is a deal breaker?

[GoldenBC]

You modified your boots to have no walk-mode, but a fixed tongue is a deal breaker?

Steep slack country skin tracks

[funkendrenchman]

If anyone has size specs for the Dalbello Junior touring boots, please post them up. Thanks!

[skisurfmirth]

You modified your boots to have no walk-mode, but a fixed tongue is a deal breaker?

Yeah the lack of walkmode doesn’t really change the forward ROM on the Lupton. Getting the tongue out is a necessity for forward ROM. If you have some lupos go try it, go for a walk with the touring lever down and tongues out.

The lack of walkmode makes for a much better performing ski boot on the downs. It’s a perfect smash laps at the hill on a pow day in the morning, go tour off the hill in the afternoon boot for me at Kicking Horse.

[gregL]

If anyone has size specs for the Dalbello Junior touring boots, please post them up. Thanks!

Catalog says Dalbello J-Tour comes in 19.5 to 25.5 mondo, "Junior Last" (usually means about a 101mm), "Progressive" Flex. Lack of tech fittings is a bummer.

[funkendrenchman]

Catalog says Dalbello J-Tour comes in 19.5 to 25.5 mondo, "Junior Last" (usually means about a 101mm), "Progressive" Flex. Lack of tech fittings is a bummer.

Looks like they just threw a walk mode on a junior boot. Probably could just unbuckle an alpine boot.

How about the Quantum Junior?

[auvgeek]

Yeah the lack of walkmode doesn’t really change the forward ROM on the Lupton. Getting the tongue out is a necessity for forward ROM. If you have some lupos go try it, go for a walk with the touring lever down and tongues out.

My understanding is they are going to a split tongue, like the Hoji Free or the Skorpius. So it's not an apples to apples comparison with the current Lupo tongue in vs out.

[skisurfmirth]

My understanding is they are going to a split tongue, like the Hoji Free or the Skorpius. So it's not an apples to apples comparison with the current Lupo tongue in vs out.

Interesting. See how it all works out for dalbello next year I guess. It might be a super small niche but I really wish they kept tech fittings on the alpine boots.

[turnfarmer]

Interesting. See how it all works out for dalbello next year I guess. It might be a super small niche but I really wish they kept tech fittings on the alpine boots.

I’m sure that was a financial decision, tech fittings are quite costly.

Probably a smart one as how many people that bought that boot actually used them? Without a walk mode maybe 20?

[skisurfmirth]

I’m sure that was a financial decision, tech fittings are quite costly.

Probably a smart one as how many people that bought that boot actually used them? Without a walk mode maybe 20?

True. It’s a way to keep the margins, like not giving out extra tongues/parts with each boot or using Intuition liners.

I did say it was a super small niche. I agree not many would have actually toured on the 2023 krypton. With out the quick release removable tongue they wouldn’t be very nice to walk in. But it’s basically the only boot i can think of that is a no comprise alpine boot that is pin binding comparable out of the box.

[onenerdykid]

I’m sure that was a financial decision, tech fittings are quite costly.

Just the toe tech insert is about the same cost as the PU lower shell. Definitely not a small thing.

[buenonda]

Just the toe tech insert is about the same cost as the PU lower shell. Definitely not a small thing.

Hi Mathew
Is it possible to have the same base mold with and without the tech insert part ?

[NorCalNomad]

Hi Mathew
Is it possible to have the same base mold with and without the tech insert part ?

You'd have to have some sort of blocker in the mold since you'd have more plastic in that area (without the insert) so it wouldn't effect the flow and cooling of the mold. Might warp if plastic just took up the toe insert volume. Think in one of the Gear 30 episodes Matt explained why you can't just replace a certain plastic in a mold since the mold is designed for a certain plastic (flow rate, pressure, heat, etc are different for PU vs Nylon). Same sort of idea.

[GoldenBC]

The only reason Dalbello had inserts in the krypton was because they used the lupo mold to get grip walk soles on the krypton for its last year. It was a cheap way of doing it instead of retooling things. They don’t care about the krypto lupo market that tours without a walk mode.

[onenerdykid]

Hi Mathew
Is it possible to have the same base mold with and without the tech insert part ?

You'd have to have some sort of blocker in the mold since you'd have more plastic in that area (without the insert) so it wouldn't effect the flow and cooling of the mold. Might warp if plastic just took up the toe insert volume. Think in one of the Gear 30 episodes Matt explained why you can't just replace a certain plastic in a mold since the mold is designed for a certain plastic (flow rate, pressure, heat, etc are different for PU vs Nylon). Same sort of idea.

Yes, it would be possible but the mold would need what's called an "insert" in it to allow for either configuration to be made. An insert is basically a lego-like function of the mold that configured one way produces a shell with one function and configured another way produces a different one (in this instance with or without tech inserts). But the mold has to made from the beginning with this in mind.

[GoldenBC]

[Eluder]

A way to lock out an XTD?

[GoldenBC]

Yup. I assume so.

Matt, does this fit on older XTD?