To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

[Whiteroom_Guardian]

It will be interesting to see if the media ever decides this long Covid stuff is important. I'm guessing most HC workers are not really talking about it because it's all so new and they don't really know of any actual proven ways to treat this stuff yet.

I'm feeling a bit better the past two days. I'm gonna try to lift weights tonight. I have been pounding NAC and Reservatol supplements which according to people on the intertubes has anecdotal evidence of helping lingering covid symptoms and has a pretty low toxicity.

[Adolf Allerbush]

It will be interesting to see if the media ever decides this long Covid stuff is important. I'm guessing most HC workers are not really talking about it because it's all so new and they don't really know of any actual proven ways to treat this stuff yet.

I'm feeling a bit better the past two days. I'm gonna try to lift weights tonight. I have been pounding NAC and Reservatol supplements which according to people on the intertubes has anecdotal evidence of helping lingering covid symptoms and has a pretty low toxicity.

Hey, maybe you've already stated this here but I'm curious how you know you have long-covid symptoms. Do you monitor your oxygen levels while resting and during workouts relative to previous levels? stuff like that? I've had some friends who work our on the regular think that they're experiencing some reduced cardio performance by tracking times running familiar routes pre/post covid and also riding stationary bikes, such as doing the same peloton class multiple times and not being able to get close to the output they had previously. it's not like they're unable to workout, but they're not able to get close to the same performace as pre-covid. Anyhow, it's interesting and obviously sucks for someone like yourself.

[dunfree]

It will be interesting to see if the media ever decides this long Covid stuff is important. I'm guessing most HC workers are not really talking about it because it's all so new and they don't really know of any actual proven ways to treat this stuff yet.

I'm feeling a bit better the past two days. I'm gonna try to lift weights tonight. I have been pounding NAC and Reservatol supplements which according to people on the intertubes has anecdotal evidence of helping lingering covid symptoms and has a pretty low toxicity.

Lots of stuff about long Covid in the media, it just doesn’t play in the you get Covid you die binary narrative

[Whiteroom_Guardian]

Hey, maybe you've already stated this here but I'm curious how you know you have long-covid symptoms. Do you monitor your oxygen levels while resting and during workouts relative to previous levels? stuff like that? I've had some friends who work our on the regular think that they're experiencing some reduced cardio performance by tracking times running familiar routes pre/post covid and also riding stationary bikes, such as doing the same peloton class multiple times and not being able to get close to the output they had previously. it's not like they're unable to workout, but they're not able to get close to the same performace as pre-covid. Anyhow, it's interesting and obviously sucks for someone like yourself.

I haven't done any actual data tracking. I just know that I feel like shit (on top of the weird chest symptoms) and that I have skipped all kinds of workouts. I basically never skip anything during training blocks.

Last week I was supposed to do interval sessions, a couple 90+ minute LSD rides, two nights of weight lifting etc.......all I was able to do was 30 minutes of Z2 and I felt like ass as well as a little bit of inbounds skiing.

[Buzzworthy]

I haven't done any actual data tracking. I just know that I feel like shit (on top of the weird chest symptoms) and that I have skipped all kinds of workouts. I basically never skip anything during training blocks.

Last week I was supposed to do interval sessions, a couple 90+ minute LSD rides, two nights of weight lifting etc.......all I was able to do was 30 minutes of Z2 and I felt like ass as well as a little bit of inbounds skiing.

Wishing you luck and that you get feeling better.

[skiJ]

two thoughts to the recent posts -

it is my understanding, frorider, the antivirals are for early intervention - to stop the virus from replicating in a body...
Once you're sick, they aren't really of benefit
( effectively, they are Not like antibiotics for bacterial infections ) ;
Antivirals were discussed ,,, feels like up-thread back in November
( there should also be a couple Easy Search(es) ) ;

I'd like to offer some encouragement for the folks stressing about long covid / post-covid -
My understanding is "long covid" covers an array of clinical signs that really areN'T showing improvement.

remember, you are recovering from a viral infection -
I believe we need to temper the idea that covid has become a five-day inconvenience...
Maybe for many people, but the last time I had a respiratory virus, I was SICK for six weeks.
most days I functioned - but there were a couple days, I did not feel like it was safe for me to drive, and I sat.
so
Please be Patient with yourself and Get Well ! !!
You can screw yourself up If you try to work like you are well, while your body is still diseased. ( 'brain fog' completely sucks. )


Good luck !

Please Be vaccinated and boostered.

skiJ

[bodywhomper]

I’ve heard long covid described in two ways: you don’t feel like you’ve fully recovered or you feel like you’ve recovered and then come down with the same or new symptoms after feeling fine for weeks or both.

I’ve seen tweets about studies and journal articles documenting peoples long covid being more severe (intensity) than their bout of covid.

I hope all that are dealing with infection or long covid fully recover and feel better soon.

[Adolf Allerbush]

Wishing you luck and that you get feeling better.

This. I hope it gets better for you soon. Fuck COVID

[LongShortLong]

hey, WrG - Good luck...
exercise is Good - and can be (very) important !

Not sure about this one. If heart or lung injury is suspected, a doc should be consulted. My info may be way out of date though.

Good luck!

[skiJ]

understood -

My idea of "exercise" and what WrG would do are Very different

( I will be glad when I can Walk again for exercise -

... Walk a mile

I ain't racing pedal bikes.

nor climbing mountains...

Walk a mile. )


skiJ

[Whiteroom_Guardian]

I’ve heard long covid described in two ways: you don’t feel like you’ve fully recovered or you feel like you’ve recovered and then come down with the same or new symptoms after feeling fine for weeks or both.

I’ve seen tweets about studies and journal articles documenting peoples long covid being more severe (intensity) than their bout of covid.

I hope all that are dealing with infection or long covid fully recover and feel better soon.

I think I may fall into the second category. Felt decent yesterday. Good enough to lift last night with the MTB guys and felt great doing it. Felt a little off after the workout but nothing super bad. Even thought it was weight lifting with some box jump stuff I should have worn my HR monitor just to see. I will try to remember that for Thursdays workout.

Thanks to everyone wishing well and hope to get this stuff out of my system.

I know "feel" isn't really a medical term but my experience with covid is that you can almost "feel" the virus in your tissues and that strangely high HR activity seems to make whatever lurking virus left in your body get re-circulated around. That probably makes no sense at all haha.

[Percy Rideout]

https://www.livescience.com/deer-to-...9-transmission

Uhoh, the deer are back and it's confirmed they are spreading COVID to humans.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

https://www.livescience.com/deer-to-...9-transmission

Uhoh, the deer are back and it's confirmed they are spreading COVID to humans.

Huh, I didn’t know that words like, potential, possible and maybe denote confirmation.


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[Percy Rideout]

Huh, I didn’t know that words like, potential, possible and maybe denote confirmation.


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From the article:

"This lineage had 76 mutations compared with the original version of the virus identified in Wuhan, China. "

"Next, the researchers compared the viral genomes found in deer to those found in humans in the area. They identified a person who was infected with a genetically similar strain of SARS-CoV-2, according to The Guardian. This person lived in Southwestern Ontario and had known close contact with deer, and so it seems plausible that a deer transmitted the virus to the person in this case. However, the researchers noted that their limited data prevented them from definitively linking the human and deer case."

Must be a coincidence that the virus with 76 mutations from the OG Wuhan strain winds up in both the deer population and a human in the same area, all 76 of the exact same mutations happening independently from each other, in separate reservoirs and populations entirely.

It is possible the human could have caused the mutation and spread it to the deer. I also hit a hole in one once, but it was statistically very unlikely.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

From the article:

"This lineage had 76 mutations compared with the original version of the virus identified in Wuhan, China. "

"Next, the researchers compared the viral genomes found in deer to those found in humans in the area. They identified a person who was infected with a genetically similar strain of SARS-CoV-2, according to The Guardian. This person lived in Southwestern Ontario and had known close contact with deer, and so it seems plausible that a deer transmitted the virus to the person in this case. However, the researchers noted that their limited data prevented them from definitively linking the human and deer case."

Must be a coincidence that the virus with 76 mutations from the OG Wuhan strain winds up in both the deer population and a human in the same area, all 76 of the exact same mutations happening independently from each other.

It is possible the human could have caused the mutation and spread it to the deer. I also hit a hole in one once, but it was statistically very unlikely.

Again nothing in your quoted paragraph or the linked article is definitive or would be confirmation. Plausible doesn’t mean confirmed. Why wouldn’t you post that link and say something like “ It looks like deer may transmit Covid to humans but confirmation is needed “ ? That’s what the article says


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[The AD]

Again nothing in your quoted paragraph or the linked article is definitive or would be confirmation.

People like Asspen don't like grey areas. They deal in pure black or white.

[skiJ]

I think I may fall into the second category. Felt decent yesterday. Good enough to lift last night with the MTB guys and felt great doing it. Felt a little off after the workout but nothing super bad. Even thought it was weight lifting with some box jump stuff I should have worn my HR monitor just to see. I will try to remember that for Thursdays workout.

Thanks to everyone wishing well and hope to get this stuff out of my system.

I know "feel" isn't really a medical term but my experience with covid is that you can almost "feel" the virus in your tissues and that strangely high HR activity seems to make whatever lurking virus left in your body get re-circulated around. That probably makes no sense at all haha.

WrG - I am good with you claiming 'physical feeling' akin to the sense of Touch as it relates to a viral infection -

an episode of Influenza and pneumonia and pleuritis left me with an adhesion that clicked with each breathe for weeks.
I felt it.

I don't know if it is actually the virus that is circulating or ,,, ( something else. viruses circulate; then they attach; then they replicate; I would think the spawn circulates with cellular debris of Infection. but 'machts nicht' ( makes no difference ) - I believe you are feeling something ( like when you receive an IntraVenous injection/ infusion )


Please wear the heart monitor. skiJ

[Percy Rideout]

Again nothing in your quoted paragraph or the linked article is definitive or would be confirmation. Plausible doesn’t mean confirmed. Why wouldn’t you post that link and say something like “ It looks like deer may transmit Covid to humans but confirmation is needed “ ? That’s what the article says


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Argue semantics instead of the actual article provided. Got it.

Since your goal is to debunk this article, Please tell us now how the same 76 mutations wound up in humans and deer in the small regional area. Hell of a coincidence, amirite?

[Cisco Kid]

No. Sit down Chicken Little.

[oldnew_guy]

Oregon Health Sciences study in the news today estimates 30% of people who caught COVID or more have long term effects.

WRG - looks like OHSU has has a referral program.

[skiJ]

dude. He's not trying to debunk the article - He quoted the article.

You debunk the article with your claim that "possible" (the headline, Not the article) means 'confirmed' ,
when the article states,
" ... needs to be confirmed. "

' Go back to seventh grade English,
Do Not collect 200. '

Please take this junk to "Fear and loathing" --


give. it. up., A$$pen --

my Money says 76genomes is a fraction of a virus ;
my Money is on there still being variation between the cervid virus and the human ( homo sapien ) virus

( chimpanzees have genetics like man -
Therefore, we are monkeys.

Help me, wooley )

skiJ

[riser4]

Oregon Health Sciences study in the news today estimates 30% of people who caught COVID or more have long term effects.

WRG - looks like OHSU has has a referral program.

Wut? 30% or more of people who caught COVID have long term effects? Or 30% of people who caught COVID or something more than COVID have long term effects?

[canyonrider]

As I’m asking around, I’m realizing a lot of healthy youngish triple vaxxed friends got Omicron and were laid the fuck out for 10 or even 12 days. I’ve had it for 12 days now and was feeling ok yesterday but now my energy is low again.

Yep, this was my experience catching it in January. Mid-40s, typical Boulder dentist generally in great running/cycling shape, and it knocked me down for a couple of weeks.

And a lot of the other recent posts about lingering symptoms hit close to home. I'm about 7 weeks out from first symptoms and mostly ok, but still have a little cough/chest congestion and occasional bouts of fatigue. Allerbush's post about reduced cardio performance is definitely consistent with my experience as well. I haven't gotten anywhere close to my previous levels of exercise, although haven't tried to push it. I've been pretty content to get some resort turns in, walk the dog, and go for short jogs when feeling up to it.

I definitely think that the "omicron is just a cold if you're boosted" storyline has played much better.

[Percy Rideout]

my Money is on there still being variation between the cervid virus and the human ( homo sapien ) virus

Since the article explicitly stated this fact, you are posting your opinion on the contents of an article without reading it. Good job.

Let's bring it back to this thread. Do we capture and vaccinate these deer?

What happened to our SkiJ translator?

[frorider]

Wut? 30% or more of people who caught COVID have long term effects? Or 30% of people who caught COVID or something more than COVID have long term effects?

I googled the news article, pretty useless https://www.kgw.com/article/news/hea...9-3ff3821f3083

Meanwhile, some good news for people with breakthrough cases: https://news.ohsu.edu/2021/12/16/bre...study-suggests