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[old goat]

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but AFAIK as a rule vaccine side effects are immediate--unless you count getting autism 6 months after your measles shot a vaccine side effect. The number of shots Pfizer has given has been enough to detect all but rare side effects I believe. It's effectiveness that takes time to prove. There would be a lot less vaccine skepticism if Trump hadn't stuck his nose in it. And I think a lot of the chronic antivaxxers will be changing their tune as more and more people they know get sick and die. It's easy to be against vaccines when the chance of your kid getting measles or polio is extremely remote and you've never known anyone whose kid had any of the disease we vaccinate for. It's one thing to get a shot for a disease that used to kill a few hundred per year (measles, not polio), it's another to get it for a disease which kills hundreds of thousands.

I'm ready to have the shot tomorrow. I volunteered for the trial but obviously didn't get picked. I figured as someone who benefitted professionally from people being willing to participate in trials it was my obligation to do so if I could.

I still wonder when the controls in the Pfizer trials will get the real thing.

[Catfish]

Nobody is going to willingly get this vaccine. It’s literally the only thing in the world that will unite Americans. Anyone pumping a COVID vaccine for any reason other than their bottom line is gonna be sorely disappointed. This virus is running it’s course, as it was always going to do. Hopefully we learn our lesson and don’t sacrifice the remnants of our constitution next time.

[rideit]

RJ?
That you?


(That was for Abraham)

[Catfish]

JC

[Iwantmy2dollars]

After a couple million doses are given and a couple months pass, to allow for adverse effects to surface - hopefully not - my wife and I will be over joyed to get vaccinated. I don't know what planet people are living on that take this virus so casually. No matter what your age or health status. You don't want this taking root in your body. Many people can't seem to clear it and suffer with prolonged, possibly chronic illness that may take years to resolve, if ever.

[Catfish]

It’s inevitable. Every single person on earth will be infected. Why do people still argue this?

[S_jenks]

It’s inevitable. Every single person on earth will be infected. Why do people still argue this?

Yeah! I mean, everyone is going to die anyway, so why even bother trying to improve life when we are all going to be either 6ft under or ash in a jar, amirite?

Oh, oh, oh, I’ve got another one- we’re all going to have to take a shit sooner or later, so why bother trying to manage what is inevitable? Let that shit spray man, and don’t let anyone tell you otherwise!

*yawn* try a better alias.

[Catfish]

I have no alias and I’m sorry right everyone on earth is going to get COVID

[S_jenks]

As someone who caught and recovered from covid- no, not everyone on earth is going to get it.

Go skiing.


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[MakersTeleMark]

As someone who caught and recovered from covid- no, not everyone on earth is going to get it.

Go skiing.


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Um, this. Who is the catfish motherfucker?

And, yes, a lot of people are going to or have gotten it.

[bigdude2468]

Especially since the Pfizer CEO sold 60% of his shares as soon as the "vaccine is going great" report came out. Plus it's going to be what, 8-12 months until enough doses for those who want it are actually available?

Counterpoint to drawbridge guy, I've been patronizing my favorite neighborhood spot a lot more than usual to try to help them get through all this. Another shutdown and they might be done.

Nothing at all fishy about Pfizer's CEO stock sale as it relates to the vaccine announcement. He had made a 10b5-1 filing with the SEC back in August. A 10b5-1 establishes a quantity of stock to be sold at a predetermined price. When the stock price reached that price it was sold. If it had not reached that price no sale wold have been executed.

[The SnowShow]

My point is a healthcare collapse carries its consequences and also inevitably leads to the same economic consequence as a shutdown through one means or the other.


Pfizer vax has the ULT requirement, but we in healthcare/PH are finishing up logistics for distribution that should work well within CONUS. Moderna will be a month behind and not have the ULT requirement of Pfizer. But Pfizer may not truly need ULT, that is just how it was tested and developed, so the ULT req may go away. We talk about these things alot on the state and local calls.


Yes there are many "what if scenarios" but the truth is that they are possible but unlikely. Just as we have seen antibodies wane in 3 months, we haven't seen these people being reinfected except in rare cases as was the worry.



Nobody is a kook for wondering about safety.

However, I think it hinges on both the effectiveness and the safety profile. 90% seroconversion from the primary results, we'll have to see it could go up or down from there with time... but 90% is WAY higher than what anyone had hoped for!

IF it is effective as preliminary results suggest: for low risk individuals, given the risk of COVID including its long term effects which are concerning and still not fully appreciated, it would be tough to imagine a risk profile on a vaccine that would be markedly worse than getting COVID which is an inevitability given enough time if you don't get vaxxed (and enough people don't). But then plenty don't get the very safe flu vax though it has a much lower consequence of disease for low risk population vs COVID.

I wish I had the vax right fucking now. I can work as many extra ICU shifts as I want right now on top of my regular jobs.

On your state and local calls, what are you hearing is the likely timeline for distribution in CO as of now (assuming FDA approval)?

[powdork]

Nobody is going to willingly get this vaccine. It’s literally the only thing in the world that will unite Americans. Anyone pumping a COVID vaccine for any reason other than their bottom line is gonna be sorely disappointed. This virus is running it’s course, as it was always going to do. Hopefully we learn our lesson and don’t sacrifice the remnants of our constitution next time.

noone WAS going to get a vaccine that magically appeared right before the election. This vaccine does not have Trump's taint. If his base won't take it, that's fuckin awesome.

[Name Redacted]

After a couple million doses are given and a couple months pass, to allow for adverse effects to surface - hopefully not - my wife and I will be over joyed to get vaccinated.

I'm taking this approach too, but technically tens of thousands of people will have already gotten the vaccine in the trials. My wife is high risk and other vaccines kick her ass so we are hesitant to give it to her. I guess we will just do what her doc recommends.

[Mudfoot]

When ski areas in Utah all closed in late Mach there were about 50 Covid cases a day in the State. Yesterday there were over 5,000 new cases in Utah and all the ski areas are getting ready to open in the next few weeks. How does that work?

[concretejungle]

When ski areas in Utah all closed in late Mach there were about 50 Covid cases a day in the State. Yesterday there were over 5,000 new cases in Utah and all the ski areas are getting ready to open in the next few weeks. How does that work?

I mean at this point you could say that about anything. I agree with you wholeheartedly.

[Core Shot]

When ski areas in Utah all closed in late Mach there were about 50 Covid cases a day in the State. Yesterday there were over 5,000 new cases in Utah and all the ski areas are getting ready to open in the next few weeks. How does that work?

Do you have the number of tests given in each time frame?
Or percent positive?

[powdork]

Do you have the number of tests given in each time frame?
Or percent positive?

the stats are available. For reference, here in El Dorado county two weeks ago we went back into red tier with 3.3% positivity (based on a period 2 weeks before that). This week tests are coming back at 10% positivity. It's a scenario being repeated across the west now just as it was in the midwest three weeks ago.

Another scenario being repeated is hospitals running out of staff long before they run out of beds. As of 11/12 (not reported on the weekends), many hospitals in northern nv were approaching capacity in regards to staffed beds. It has only gone up from there as casee numbers have skyrocketed.

[Buster Highmen]

Nobody is going to willingly get this vaccine. It’s literally the only thing in the world that will unite Americans. Anyone pumping a COVID vaccine for any reason other than their bottom line is gonna be sorely disappointed. This virus is running it’s course, as it was always going to do. Hopefully we learn our lesson and don’t sacrifice the remnants of our constitution next time.

I really don't understand this.

Lots of Americans will get the vaccine.

The likelihood of an effective vaccine is high.

Lots of other diseases like poliio, measles, smallpox don't "run their course" because of vaccines and health initiatives.

And most importantly, I really don't get the claim that COVID measures have impacted the Constitution. We wear seatbelts, no shoes no shirts no service, we reserved the right to refuse service to anyone.

[Name Redacted]

And most importantly, I really don't get the claim that COVID measures have impacted the Constitution. We wear seatbelts, no shoes no shirts no service, we reserved the right to refuse service to anyone.

I think the only leg people who claim this have to stand on is that it didn't go through the proper legal channels. But that would have taken years and that really didn't fit the situation, at all.

[Buster Highmen]

Has congress made a law that denies peaceable assembly, especially given the internet?

[Mudfoot]

Do you have the number of tests given in each time frame?
Or percent positive?

I understand your point but mine is that however you measure it things are out of control on a much larger scale now than when everything shut down the first time, and based on what I'm seeing the ski areas various plans are based in large part on voluntary unenforced behavior that has proven to be in large part wishful thinking.

[Buster Highmen]

Polio is rather poor example of vaccine efficacy. in fact, the negative consequence of the first vaccines lead to stricter regulations. Its also important to understand that the criteria for diagnosing polio became more stringent at the same time the vaccine was introduced, leading to reduction in the numbers from a mathematical perspective only.

Infact, I would argue Polio and its initial vaccine is probably the greatest argument against rushed experimental vaccination, highlighting a poor understanding of the disease. And the manipulation of the data as supports suspicion of government... So maybe dont use polio as an example as to why we should trust the COVID vaccine

While all that's true, the salient fact is that our polio experience improved the vetting processes both for disease and vaccines.
But, OK, excise that one from the list.

I still don't buy the argument that COVID restrictions are causing permanent damage to the Constitution.

[Smoova]

This vaccine does not have Trump's taint. If his base won't take it, that's fuckin awesome.

This.

[Buster Highmen]

This.

I think that's stupid, not only as a punitive view on a fellow human, but vaccines are most effective if the population as a whole takes them, preventing the disease from festering.

At some point, we've got to get off the political based divisiveness, especially against the people that have been tricked.