First to Close???

[The AD]

I really don't understand this.

You don't understand idiocy? Not surprising.

[ticketchecker]

a question for the smart folks. If both the pfizer and moderna vaccines are rolled out at roughly the same time, will that effectively add to the number of doses available or will the delivery constraints still limit the initial number of doses available, or somewhere in between. My understanding is that while both require two shots, moderna's does not need to be kept at low temps whereas at this point pfizer's does. that would seem to suggest separate delivery chains but I don't really know.

Speaking as someone who was in sales for a large food distribution company I would imagine one supply chain can deliver but would require two methods of storage/handling. We delivered ice cream, vegetables and shampoo on the same trucks from the same warehouse and each category of product has different protocols for chain of custody. It would be really nice if the current Warp Speeders would talk to the adults that are going to be managing the process so it all goes as well as possible.

EDIT: I'm not one of the smart folks, just a guy who sold organic groceries

[summit]

We've been talking about vaccine delivery logistics for months...

[muted]

It would be really nice if the current Warp Speeders would talk to the adults that are going to be managing the process so it all goes as well as possible.

EDIT: I'm not one of the smart folks, just a guy who sold organic groceries

I ain't a smart adult, but what I read is each state will handle the delivery process themselves. Some states will be a shitshow, I'm sure.

[The AD]

I can introduce you personally to tons of people that won’t be getting a vaccine. Me included.

Why not?

[ill-advised strategy]

Being in a place that really needs manmade, I’m wondering if they’ll do that...given the uncertain returns on that big investment.

If I were in that chair, I think I’d gamble on skiing, and just plan on doing every move possible to mitigate risk while still keeping the sport alive...but that’s really an absurd thing to say from the sidelines with no view of the balance sheet.

I’m worried this is going to be an extinction event for small ski areas.

[muted]

I’m worried this is going to be an extinction event for small ski areas.

if places are forced to close, yes. Kinda depressing to think about. There is a hope of someone buying and re-opening some of them in the coming years but yeah the mom-and-pops who were struggling for years may not be coming back.

As for out West, I bet there will be a surge of new visitors going to small resorts this year if they stay open.

[Buster Highmen]

The problem is that you guys think people are so ignorant they were “duped” into believing something. Here’s a fact. I’m from Vermont. We’re known as super liberal. I can introduce you personally to tons of people that won’t be getting a vaccine. Me included. And they aren’t all trump supporters. And I’m not a trump supporter. I’m a libertarian before you start to tell me I was duped as well. They are free thinking Vermonters and citizens of the USA and the other side needs to start realizing it which ever side that is. I’m glad you guys hold yourselves on such a high pedestal and this you are so much smarter but that’s 99% of the problem because you aren’t any smarter. I just waded through the most condescending back and forth of how to justify the right as a bunch of morons. And you guys are so fucking ignorant that you got duped into discussing politics on the first to close page. So both of you go get your shots and make sure you drink the cool aid on the way out to the jet to the private island full of children. Say hi to Bill.


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Hmm, ok, not sure where you're getting that from, all I'm getting at is that the expressed glee over someone getting covid is inappropriate as well as stoking divisions. Go back and reread what I wrote.

As far as this discussion in a thread about area closures, all that is in context.

If you're absolutely not going to take the vaccine, in denial of that effect on the rest of society, why?

[paulster2626]

Hmm, ok, not sure where you're getting that from, all I'm getting at is that the expressed glee over someone getting covid is inappropriate as well as stoking divisions. Go back and reread what I wrote.

As far as this discussion in a thread about area closures, all that is in context.

If you're absolutely not going to take the vaccine, in denial of that effect on the rest of society, why?

I'm gonna go ahead and bet the majority of these "I'm not going to get vaccinated" people change their tune very quickly once it's actually available. By the time us plebs are able to even consider making an appointment, it will have been given to millions of people worldwide. The choice of returning to normal life will outweigh the 'I'm suspicious of everything scientific now FAKE NEWS' mindset in many.

What are the excuses?
"It was rushed."
-Well, yeah I guess it was rushed in the sense that they poured every ounce of resource in to development and production, putting everything else on hold, sure. But it wasn't really "rushed" as it had to still meet all the usual safety checks etc.

"We don't know the long-term effects."
-Correct. So you're going to either get a vaccine which is assumed to be safe, or risk catching a deadly disease that is assumed to be dangerous, both of which we do not know the long-term risks of? Makes no sense to me. Given the amount of other safe and effective vaccines out there though, my money is on the scientists knowing what they're talking about.

"Nobody can tell me what to do."
-Nope. But sometimes, maybe someone should.

Are there other reasons that don't include being a selfish person who doesn't care about anyone else?

[Benny Profane]

I’m worried this is going to be an extinction event for small ski areas.

Not necessarily. It depends on the amount of debt any company, large or small, brings into bad times like this. Vail was hurting with debt service before Covid, and had to run for financial help after it hit. Just imagine the massive amount of overhead that company has compared to a "small area". The mountains that will survive are the ones that are financially lean, either by design or luck (in between capital intensive improvements), or just have some real heavy hitting financial backers. Nobody is going to make much money, if at all, this year.

[The AD]

I'm gonna go ahead and bet the majority of these "I'm not going to get vaccinated" people change their tune very quickly once it's actually available.

You may be underestimating the obstinacy of a good portion of the American public.

[Buster Highmen]

As a parent, I was terrified of giving our kids inoculations, especially in light of the disinformation out there regarding autism.
So we read a lot about it, weighed the risks and decided to go ahead, albeit a lot slower than the recommended rate of shots.

So, we were kind of on the fence, but decided to go with it.

I know a lot of people who didn't. I don't really understand their rationale.

Anyway, sure seems like places can't close when they don't open.

Given the new WA state regs, we're supposed to quarantine after getting our son in Oregon this coming weekend. It's kind of laughable since I never see anyone other than my immediate family anyway.

[paulster2626]

You may be underestimating the obstinacy of a good portion of the American public.

Once Biden and McConnell get poked in the ass by Fauci on a live PPV vaccination event they'll come around.

[The AD]

Once Biden and McConnell get poked in the ass by Fauci on a live PPV vaccination event they'll come around.

We also don't trust the gubment.

[paulster2626]

We also don't trust the gubment.

Y'all think your government is too capable. Up here we know they're incompetent, so any nefarious activity against the citizens would just be an utter failure.

It's not a perfect system, but it's the one we've got!

[Buster Highmen]

Mocking won't help fix stuff.

[skiJ]

I know what they are. i just disagree that they can't be taken away. because it happens all the time. we have the highest % of people without liberty in the world. we have cops killing innocent men women and children. etc.

thread hijack -
my comment certainly was not directed at You, pow. - however :
I believe I do need to dispute the idea that us of A has the greatest % of people Without liberty --
my knowledge of World culture is Very limited , and I readily agree our society is Not perfect... But
as a percentage of the country's population I believe there are at least several countries where a greater % of the population has less liberty -

This is in no way to diminish the abuse you cite or the losses of liberty we have seen this year...
( an unidentified armed (Federal) force - I did not see that coming. )

But I still believe our country compares favorably to many...

respectfully - skiJ

[old goat]

Once Biden and McConnell get poked in the ass by Fauci on a live PPV vaccination event they'll come around.

I'll get the shot but no way will I watch that show.

[paulster2626]

I'll get the shot but no way will I watch that show.

Just the highlights in twitter meme format then?

[powdork]

thread hijack -
my comment certainly was not directed at You, pow. - however :
I believe I do need to dispute the idea that us of A has the greatest % of people Without liberty --
my knowledge of World culture is Very limited , and I readily agree our society is Not perfect... But
as a percentage of the country's population I believe there are at least several countries where a greater % of the population has less liberty -

This is in no way to diminish the abuse you cite or the losses of liberty we have seen this year...
( an unidentified armed (Federal) force - I did not see that coming. )

But I still believe our country compares favorably to many...

respectfully - skiJ

i was going from this
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...0incarceration.

either way i was pointing out that inalienable specifically means 'Can not be taken away' and we have gigantic redundant infrastructure designed specifically to do just that.

[ill-advised strategy]

But I still believe our country compares favorably to many...

respectfully - skiJ

I love our country the way I love my old Ford...it’s junk, but it’s just the right junk for me.

[DryorDie]

Maine reinstating Massachussets restrictions

https://wgme.com/news/local/gov-mill...of-holiday-sea

[Benny Profane]

Maine residents celebrate.

[skiJ]

i was going from this
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...0incarceration.

either way i was pointing out that inalienable specifically means 'Can not be taken away' and we have gigantic redundant infrastructure designed specifically to do just that.

reactively, pow.,
incarceration is Big business in usa -
beaureaucratic And profitable
( I have seen it dramatically alter lives - Unjustly. )

for me, there would need to be a cross reference - like staff hours per inmate and Dollars per inmate --

liberty : the ability to do what you choose -

If you allow this as a Definition of liberty ,
there are lots of ways to loose ' liberty ' short of incarceration :
parenthood. livelihood. Where one lives.
there are places in the World these are Not a matter of individual choice...

like i-as says, it ain't perfect but it's ours.

skiJ

interesting thoughts on viability of the small ski area --
seems like I read something in these pages recently that characterized running a ski hill to ' snow farming ' - and I compare it to my experience working with farmers of the midwest :
Some were able to continue to farm because they held another job ( and even more often, their spouse worked off-the-farm )

my best experience in Skiing - everyone who worked at the hill had other jobs that paid the bills , but we all love the hill ! ( community support helps too... )

debt is the enemy -
the expense of snowmaking - if people expect their season pass to rollover if they don't get a hundred days...
( I will bet that was very Expensive insurance )

I respect Steve for saying(,) we will open what we can based on natural snowfall...

live to last.
Debt closes businesses -

Just my experience and my Opinion -

[Viva]

This just in:

Due to the November 13, 2020, NM Public Health Order which requires outdoor recreation facilities to close through November 30, we will no longer be able to open our mountain on November 26th as planned.