WWMD?- My co-worker thinks the Vegas shooting was a hoax

[ill-advised strategy]

DON'T PUT ME ON THE LIST OF DOOM BUT...

In my mind the conspiratorial element of 9/11 is something like this: various intelligence personnel had a notion that something like the wtc attack was coming, if not exactly the wtc attack, and the neocon political wing...Rumsfeld and Cheney...figured a terrorist incident would be just what they needed to initiate some of the imperialism and war profiteering that were sort of private core objectives of that administration, or at least Cheney and Rumsfeld and their staffs...so they ignored the warnings figuring some attack would happen somewhere and they would parlay it into their preexisting Iraq war objective.

I've sort of gleaned this over the years from an indescribable scattershot of sources I couldn't begin to recount, so if it's just abject nonsense, please forgive me and feel free to reeducate me or whatever.

[iceman]

That's not impossible. Similar to the whole Pearl harbor conspiracy thing in that hey who knows? The whole controlled demolition etc etc bullshit is actually impossible, but I could believe just about anything about Cheney and Rumsfeld short of that.

[Buster Highmen]

YM on the money again.

[PNWbrit]

YM on the money again.

Yep.

Most obvious conspiracy is most likely.

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[mcski]

Curb Your Survivor

https://youtu.be/pd4b059yNNo

[jono]

That's really the non-conspiracy, though, since "knowing something is coming" but not what would really mean they'd have to make sure not to be blamed when it happened. So no direct hand in it and no specific moves that would make it more likely, just a quiet dereliction of duty.

Which, combined with the incompetence uncovered and mostly ignored by the 9/11 commission, gives truthers more ammo: the most common deception in the arsenal seems to be noting how many people find fault with the commission report and conflating that with some consensus that it must have been an inside job.

[farmer]

Updated list

Not sure how pointing out "crisis actors" is a silly theory gets me on the list, but thanks for thinking of me.

FWIW, one of the guys that was killed in Vegas was from my hometown. Didn't know him but we had a lot of mutual friends. I have no doubt he was shot by that deranged SOB.

As for 9/11, any second rate engineer can tell you that you don't have to melt structural steel to weaken it. Just heat it a little, especially after flying a plane through half the supports.

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[ex-powderbroker]

Just remembered this thread because a coworker is watching 9/11 conspiracy theories about 'zionists'. Wants to see other opinions. Gah.

[Bobby Stainless]

Not one video of the shooter. But no one cares anymore, so no big deal.

[Skidog]

Not one video of the shooter. But no one cares anymore, so no big deal.

Yeah in Vegas where there are more cameras than people. Make total sense. Back to your regularly scheduled distraction
This week's is sexual harassment in politics.

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[jono]

Not one video of the shooter. But no one cares anymore, so no big deal.

I've seen video. Have you been looking for one or is that just a quote from the conspiracy theorists? I've seen the same claim about the plane that struck the Pentagon, despite having seen footage of that, too.

[GiBo]

Update: After telling him to not talk about it at work he stopped. But the other day it came up and he said he has changed his mind. After he first claimed that he was "1000% certain" that no one was shot and it was all staged, he now believes a few people were shot, but there was more than one shooter. And it was a conspiracy. He then started to explain his theory, but I stopped him and again asked told him I'm not entertaining that at work.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Not one video of the shooter. But no one cares anymore, so no big deal.

Chronic over consumption of cannabis along with running an illegal grow could make one paranoid.

[old goat]

One can imagine a lot of conspiracy theories. The difference between imagined conspiracies and real ones is for real ones there is actual evidence and the truth comes out. The more people that are involved in the conspiracy the greater the chance that the truth will out. It's easy to say that the CIA killed JFK, that 9/11 was a hoax, that the moon landing was staged. Acutal evidence is another thing.
That doesn't mean that there aren't conspiracies. They are all around us. That Putin got into power by bombing Moscow apartments, blaming the Chechens, and starting a war with them is supported by evidence--it's an open secret. The Republican party conspiracy to supress African American voting is another example--evidence such as statements by the conspirators that that is the intention of voter ID laws for example. But just because someone can imagine a conspiracy doesn't mean it happened. The profusion of conspiracy theories is a testament to the damage done when the government lies to us. The rampant, bipartisan lying during the Vietnam war has a lot to do with the huge suspicion of govt on both sides of the political sprectrum we see today.

[flyandski365]

One can imagine a lot of conspiracy theories. The difference between imagined conspiracies and real ones is for real ones there is actual evidence and the truth comes out. The more people that are involved in the conspiracy the greater the chance that the truth will out. It's easy to say that the CIA killed JFK, that 9/11 was a hoax, that the moon landing was staged. Acutal evidence is another thing.
That doesn't mean that there aren't conspiracies. They are all around us. That Putin got into power by bombing Moscow apartments, blaming the Chechens, and starting a war with them is supported by evidence--it's an open secret. The Republican party conspiracy to supress African American voting is another example--evidence such as statements by the conspirators that that is the intention of voter ID laws for example. But just because someone can imagine a conspiracy doesn't mean it happened. The profusion of conspiracy theories is a testament to the damage done when the government lies to us. The rampant, bipartisan lying during the Vietnam war has a lot to do with the huge suspicion of govt on both sides of the political sprectrum we see today.

Spot on.

[wyeaster]

i had no idea bobby was a truther.

[AK47bp]

You can't reason with stupid.

I try to explain to my toddler why the milk in the blue cup tastes the same as milk in the red cup, she doesn't want to hear it.

[reckless toboggan]

He works for me. Super smart network guy. Really cool. Couple of weeks ago he texts me on a Sunday night that he can't believe what he has discovered- the Vegas shootings never happened. It was some sort of government conspiracy. The motive part he seems unsure of, but he is, as he says, 100% convinced that no one died and it was all staged.

I must admit, I'm a little rattled. This guy seems otherwise completely rational. I tried and tried to counter his points, but it just lead to more and more links to videos and bizarre theories. Everything he's showed me, I see absolutely zero evidence of anything he says he sees.

Anyone ever dealt with something like this? I have told him he needs to leave that shit at home and I don't want to hear another thing about it, but I overheard him talking to another guy about it and I can hear the other guy trying to refute him.

It just blows my mind that an otherwise normal guy would believe something so crazy.

Actually, he's an otherwise crazy guy who has managed to act normal at work...until now.

[Bobby Stainless]

Chronic over consumption of cannabis along with running an illegal grow could make one paranoid.

Haters gonna hate.

I've seen video. Have you been looking for one or is that just a quote from the conspiracy theorists? I've seen the same claim about the plane that struck the Pentagon, despite having seen footage of that, too.

Cool. Can you link them?

Vegas has plenty of cameras around. There should be a ton of footage.

i had no idea bobby was a truther.

45 days later and you don't care about the largest mass shooting in the US? That's pretty telling.

Day of shooting: "Guns are a epidemic!!!!"
45 days later: "Meh... Id rather talk about sexual harassment now"

And the anti-gun crowd can't figure out why gun control hasn't happened. I'd say it's because no one really gives a shit.

[ex-powderbroker]

It's true that the typical anti-gun person is not a one issue voter compared to 2A or pro-life, but there's been a lot of sky is falling shit besides sexual harassment lately to keep us busy.

Alabama yesterday, FCC vote today, tax bill monday, call your peeps if you care!

[jono]

Cool. Can you link them?

Vegas has plenty of cameras around. There should be a ton of footage.

I saw it on evening news so maybe it's on their site. Spokane or national, can't recall. Looked like cell phone video--color/hand held. Not so sure you'd be likely to find much from security/CC since there's little reason to point a camera up at the side of a building. At least from what I saw, nothing of interest in the frame except the muzzle flash.

[wyeaster]

45 days later and you don't care about the largest mass shooting in the US? That's pretty telling.

Day of shooting: "Guns are a epidemic!!!!"
45 days later: "Meh... Id rather talk about sexual harassment now"

And the anti-gun crowd can't figure out why gun control hasn't happened. I'd say it's because no one really gives a shit.

hilarious. call oj. maybe he can help you find the real shooter.

[jono]

hilarious. call oj. maybe he was the real shooter.

FIFY

[wyeaster]

I saw it on evening news so maybe it's on their site. Spokane or national, can't recall. Looked like cell phone video--color/hand held. Not so sure you'd be likely to find much from security/CC since there's little reason to point a camera up at the side of a building. At least from what I saw, nothing of interest in the frame except the muzzle flash.

fake news!!! corporate media conspiring to cover up the mic conspiracy to divert attention from nuclear war, crashing economy, fascist, police state government with something we're all familiar with and can believe because it happens all the time (ok, everybody but car salesmen and gun nuts) -- gun violence in the u.s.!!!

[Bobby Stainless]

fake news!!! corporate media conspiring to cover up the mic conspiracy to divert attention from nuclear war, crashing economy, fascist, police state government with something we're all familiar with and can believe because it happens all the time (ok, everybody but car salesmen and gun nuts) -- gun violence in the u.s.!!!

Some of us tend to actually care about these events past the two week expiration date.

If you think it is reasonable to not have any answers or even care 45 days later, then that's on you.

I figured you were full of shit.

I'm sure you didn't realize today was 5 years after Sandy Hook either.