Ukraine

[subtle plague]

Hmm. Wagner guy says they have fully conquered bachmut? Sounds weird after ukraine supposedly gaining territory there in the last few days.
Ukraine denies it but says heavy battle today.

[ex-powderbroker]

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/20...n-report-finds

downright orcish

[alpinevibes]

Hmm. Wagner guy says they have fully conquered bachmut? Sounds weird after ukraine supposedly gaining territory there in the last few days.
Ukraine denies it but says heavy battle today.

My understanding is that Ukraine has continued to slowly lose meters/blocks in the city, but made sizeable gains around the flanks/outskirts of the city by focusing on those weaker areas.

[bennymac]

https://www.reddit.com/r/MadeMeSmile...t=1&utm_term=1

and yet some mags want Ukraine to stop defending their own country from this invasion - lest these mags lose money in their Russian investments or perhaps have their father-daughter dance be postponed

[Viva]

If you Google the question, powerful militaries are basically ranked by equipment, bodies and budget.

What does that prove?

[jono]

What does that prove?

Lots of Mets fans on the interwebs?

[frorider]

If you Google the question, powerful militaries are basically ranked by equipment, bodies and budget.

Exactly. It’s a somewhat useless and theoretical fact that doesn’t take into account leadership, motivation, tactical flexibility etc.

Viet Cong did pretty fucking well, just saying.

I hope this semantic sidebar on ranked militaries dies soon.

[subtle plague]

https://www.reddit.com/r/MadeMeSmile...t=1&utm_term=1

and yet some mags want Ukraine to stop defending their own country from this invasion - lest these mags lose money in their Russian investments or perhaps have their father-daughter dance be postponed

But think of World war three! Youvare insane wishing a whole country a peaceful existence if you can have a peaceful father daughter Event!

[ex-powderbroker]

abrams vs t72 in iraq

[PB]

abrams vs t72 in iraq

That was pretty amazing. H.R. fucking McMasters!

I haven't kept up with what model Russian tanks are deployed in Ukraine; have any of the newest models been used and if so, how did they do? If not, why?

[Muffcabbage]

The Patriot missile takedown of Kinzahl hypersonic missiles over Kyiv has cast a long shadow over the Russian braggarts who said their rockets defied interception. But the major implication of this event goes far deeper - Russia's nuclear arsenal, including ballistic missiles, were proven to be vulnerable to interception.

The consequences of this are mind boggling insomuch as that Cono can no longer whine about his faux middle American lifestyle being interrupted by WWIII. But something tells me he has some other manic delusional fear that will soon surface.

[Cono Este]

Hmm. Wagner guy says they have fully conquered bachmut? Sounds weird after ukraine supposedly gaining territory there in the last few days.
Ukraine denies it but says heavy battle today.

It’s because it all bullshit information from both sides.

Flip a coin.

[billyk]

The Patriot missile takedown of Kinzahl hypersonic missiles over Kyiv has cast a long shadow over the Russian braggarts who said their rockets defied interception. But the major implication of this event goes far deeper - Russia's nuclear arsenal, including ballistic missiles, were proven to be vulnerable to interception.

The consequences of this are mind boggling insomuch as that Cono can no longer whine about his faux middle American lifestyle being interrupted by WWIII. But something tells me he has some other manic delusional fear that will soon surface.

The patriots took out the kinzahls, but the kinzahls were targeting the patriots - coming right at them. That’s an easier job than trying to protect an entire city from icbm nukes. And icbm nukes travel much faster than kinzahls, in the range of Mach 20, vs Mach 5-10. It would be a mistake to extrapolate from this recent episode to think we a invulnerable from a full scale nuclear attack from the Russians with their 6000+ nuclear warheads.

[ex-powderbroker]

“In an ever-changing, incomprehensible world the masses had reached the point where they would, at the same time, believe everything and nothing, think that everything was possible and that nothing was true. ... Mass propaganda discovered that its audience was ready at all times to believe the worst, no matter how absurd, and did not particularly object to being deceived because it held every statement to be a lie anyhow. The totalitarian mass leaders based their propaganda on the correct psychological assumption that, under such conditions, one could make people believe the most fantastic statements one day, and trust that if the next day they were given irrefutable proof of their falsehood, they would take refuge in cynicism; instead of deserting the leaders who had lied to them, they would protest that they had known all along that the statement was a lie and would admire the leaders for their superior tactical cleverness.”

― Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism

[J. Barron DeJong]

Losing 100k soldiers to gain control of the city, while setting themselves up to be encircled, would be quite the pyrrhic victory:



https://twitter.com/phillipspobrien/...sR_NcRK2VkCfkg

[XavierD]

Russia had 45 million military aged males at the start of this. They can do it again.

[Viva]

If Russia manages to hold Bakhmut longer than it took to take it, I would consider that a Russian success.

For purposes of this evaluation, I'll be generous and use the beginning of August last year (2022) to now as the battle's duration- about 300 days.

We shall see...

[Muffcabbage]

The patriots took out the kinzahls, but the kinzahls were targeting the patriots - coming right at them. That’s an easier job than trying to protect an entire city from icbm nukes. And icbm nukes travel much faster than kinzahls, in the range of Mach 20, vs Mach 5-10. It would be a mistake to extrapolate from this recent episode to think we a invulnerable from a full scale nuclear attack from the Russians with their 6000+ nuclear warheads.

I never mentioned icbms. There's a distinction between a ballistic missile and an icbm, especially the speed at which they travel.

From Wikipedia...


A ballistic missile is a type of missile that uses projectile motion to deliver warheads on a target. These weapons are powered only during relatively brief periods—most of the flight is unpowered. Short-range ballistic missiles stay within the Earth's atmosphere, while intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) are launched on a sub-orbital flight.

[billyk]

You said Russias nuclear threat was compromised, and Cono could no longer whine about WWIII interfering with his father daughter dance. Far from it. The only thing protecting us from a full scale Russian nuclear attack is MAD.

[Cono Este]

The Patriot missile takedown of Kinzahl hypersonic missiles over Kyiv has cast a long shadow over the Russian braggarts who said their rockets defied interception. But the major implication of this event goes far deeper - Russia's nuclear arsenal, including ballistic missiles, were proven to be vulnerable to interception.

The consequences of this are mind boggling insomuch as that Cono can no longer whine about his faux middle American lifestyle being interrupted by WWIII. But something tells me he has some other manic delusional fear that will soon surface.

This is the definition of an asshole. ^^^^

Telling us to dismiss the threat of 6000 nukes because someone shot down a cruise missle somewhere some time .

How does one become so narcissistic as to dismiss the single greatest threat to life on earth since the ice ages?

Totally insane.

[m2711c]

bless your heart…

[Bunion 2020]

^^^ Faux outrage, we have been living under the specter of nuclear extermination my entire life and then some.

Meanwhile:

The founder of Russia’s Wagner Group on Sunday said his mercenaries will finally leave Bakhmut on Thursday after claiming to have captured the city. Yevgeny Prigozhin said the withdrawal will take place between May 25 and June 1 after his fighters “captured all the territory we promised to capture, right up to the last centimeter.” “We are handing over our positions to [Russia’s] Defense Ministry and on the 25th we are leaving the conflict zone,” Prigozhin said in a voice message published on Telegram. On Sunday, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky insisted that Bakhmut “is not occupied by Russia” during a press conference at the G7 summit in Japan. He also likened the “absolute total destruction” of Bakhmut to the atomic bombing of Hiroshima at the end of World War II.

[mcphee]

This is the definition of an asshole. ^^^^

Telling us to dismiss the threat of 6000 nukes because someone shot down a cruise missle somewhere some time .

How does one become so narcissistic as to dismiss the single greatest threat to life on earth since the ice ages?

Totally insane.

WWIII is actually gonna be called WWIV because it’s gonna be so big.

[MultiVerse]

As Ukraine enters a new phase of the war the main takeaway is not whether Bakhmut stands or falls (they probably should have let it fall sooner as the attrition rate became more equal between the two sides) but that Russia's winter offensive campaign only achieved minor success at considerable cost.

Ukraine has shown it can defend a 600+ mile long front without committing its newly formed combat units made up of western trained / western equipped operational reserves. Ukraine now has somewhere between 15-20 fresh brigades in reserve for a counteroffensive.

So it's a game of cat and mouse. Russia also has large numbers of uncommitted forces. Ideally, from Ukraine's perspective, Russia will make the first move committing its reserves for its own offensive that gets bogged down allowing Ukraine to launch a counteroffensive against an even further depleted Russian military.

[subtle plague]

WWIII is actually gonna be called WWIV because it’s gonna be so big.

Or we get a cool update to the beloved WWII and call it ww2.5? I mean they do it with the Internet all the time!

Btw. I always confuse you with mcski and forget who I argued with. [emoji3]