To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

[bennymac]

So y’all figure this is a viable way forward? Mask school age kids

Really. How well do you think the mask protocol has been going?

You have mainstreamed cooties. And the kids treat it about the same

Thank god we have big brains like you and Core Shot to cut through the BS and give us an intelligent approach to these complicated situations. One that is based off the “stories” you’ve heard and the lies and outrage Fox News has fed you.

[SumJongGuy]

So y’all figure this is a viable way forward? Mask school age kids

Really. How well do you think the mask protocol has been going?

You have mainstreamed cooties. And the kids treat it about the same

The way things are trending we're probably done with school kids after this school year. Hang in until June and numbers keep going down and stay down they can go normal next fall. It's not up to us... It's up to the virus and healthcare system capacity.

[bennymac]

I heard it’s up to the truckers and the pressure they are applying.

[MTT]

Well at least my views have allot of company

But hey don’t let common sense get in the way of your hyper controlled utopia

I’m gonna risk it and go play in the dirt with my friends

Gotta clean my gun and head out for pistol league

[SumJongGuy]

Well at least my views have allot of company

But hey don’t let common sense get in the way of your hyper controlled utopia

I’m gonna risk it and go play in the dirt with my friends

Gotta clean my gun and head out for pistol league

Ya shooting the virus seems like a much better plan!

[XXX-er]

My bad I meant to quote MTT se below.

I figured , in any case the dude abides

[MTT]

The way things were headed in some places shooting the unvaccinated was starting to look like it might be on the table

[bennymac]

“Well at least my views have allot of company”

No one is surprised that’s the standard you aim for.

“People are saying….”

“I heard some stories the media isn’t reporting….”

followed by

“Why are people here criticizing me? It didn’t used to be like this back in the good ole days…”

Gullible people and cuntrarians are still free to post here - always have been - but they shouldn’t assume that makes them immune to criticism and deserving of respect towards opinions presented as facts.

[The AD]

Really. How well do you think the mask protocol has been going?

Seems like its gone fairly well. Plenty of people have mentioned on this board that their kids don't even think about it anymore. I think it's by and large adults who complain about wearing masks.

[Hopeless Sinner]

Well at least my views have allot of company

But hey don’t let common sense get in the way of your hyper controlled utopia

I’m gonna risk it and go play in the dirt with my friends

Gotta clean my gun and head out for pistol league

Here is some real world.

My kid, the teacher, had 10/21 students infected 2 weeks ago and didn't catch it. They wear masks all the time at school and on the bus. BTW my daughter is young and in shape, but has asthma. Asthmatics are thought to be susceptible to long covid. I don't want my kid to get sick, isn't it reasonable to take every precaution?

Her students are all 8/9 yo Black and Brown kids that have parents/aunts/uncles/grandparents that don't get paid by their jobs unless they show up. The kids don't get to school w/out bus drivers so they all wear masks on the bus. There are not enough teachers/support staff/drivers as it is w/out any of them getting sick.

Please don't be a dumb ass - leave it to the schools to take care of the kids and school employees, they are there everyday doing their best while others to their best to sow discontent in an effort to maintain/regain political power. They don't give AF about who they hurt in the process and people like you follow along w no real personal loss if it doesn't work out.

[funkendrenchman]

Seems like its gone fairly well. Plenty of people have mentioned on this board that their kids don't even think about it anymore. I think it's by and large adults who complain about wearing masks.

Listening to the public comments on our local board of health zoom call today, you'd think masks were a torture device.

I definitely have my doubts about their effectiveness in a daycare setting, but in K-12, I think they have the potential to be highly effective if warn properly.

Doesn't really matter though, most school mandates will be gone by mid-March because of politics and parents that simply can't handle it.

[funkendrenchman]

The way things are trending we're probably done with school kids after this school year. Hang in until June and numbers keep going down and stay down they can go normal next fall. It's not up to us... It's up to the virus and healthcare system capacity.

In the US, it's up to the people, not the science. Science be damned.

[SumJongGuy]

In the US, it's up to the people, not the science. Science be damned.

Is Joe Rogan better or worse than the Canadian Truckers?

[The AD]

Here is some real world.

My kid, the teacher, had 10/21 students infected 2 weeks ago and didn't catch it. They wear masks all the time at school and on the bus. BTW my daughter is young and in shape, but has asthma. Asthmatics are thought to be susceptible to long covid. I don't want my kid to get sick, isn't it reasonable to take every precaution?

Her students are all 8/9 yo Black and Brown kids that have parents/aunts/uncles/grandparents that don't get paid by their jobs unless they show up. The kids don't get to school w/out bus drivers so they all wear masks on the bus. There are not enough teachers/support staff/drivers as it is w/out any of them getting sick.

Please don't be a dumb ass - leave it to the schools to take care of the kids and school employees, they are there everyday doing their best while others to their best to sow discontent in an effort to maintain/regain political power. They don't give AF about who they hurt in the process and people like you follow along w no real personal loss if it doesn't work out.

Yeah, but MTT says common sense doesn't support this. Apparently what you just posted is nonsensical. Sorry about that.

Seriously, it's amazing how many well-reasoned posts we've had in this discussion about Covid mitigation measures, but some people just will not listen. I don't understand.

[ColMan]

https://news.yahoo.com/is-colorado-g...162055359.html

All but one county (Boulder I believe) in CO will be mask free (including schools) in the next week or so. My 11yo caught COVID at school a few weeks back (fully vaxxed but wearing a cloth mask so limited protection). Will be interesting to see where this goes, but I think CO is on the right track to some level of normalcy.

[ticketchecker]

I think it's by and large adults who complain about wearing masks.

Pretty much what my school teacher friends say


Sent from the Utility Muffin Research Kitchen

[SumJongGuy]

https://news.yahoo.com/is-colorado-g...162055359.html

All but one county (Boulder I believe) in CO will be mask free (including schools) in the next week or so. My 11yo caught COVID at school a few weeks back (fully vaxxed but wearing a cloth mask so limited protection). Will be interesting to see where this goes, but I think CO is on the right track to some level of normalcy.

They take off their masks at lunch time and other snack breaks. Our schools try to have outdoor table options, but weather..

[CarlMega]

“We can say with some confidence at this point that the very large benefits that people were proposing for ivermectin were based on studies that probably never happened,” Meyerowitz-Katz said.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...ata/ar-AATySRe

^If you are interested in this, click the link - I posted 1/3 of the article. Too long for here.

Last May, a graduate student named Jack Lawrence sat down in his apartment and began combing through a medical study about ivermectin for his coursework at the University of London.

The study, conducted by researchers at Benha University in Egypt and published in November 2020, had produced stunning results. It found that ivermectin, an antiparasitic drug that’s been around for decades, could reduce the risk of death among COVID-19 patients by 90%, among other findings.

“Suddenly, I started noticing something,” Lawrence said. “Although there [were] a lot of parts of the paper that were badly written, there are also a few sentences which had perfect grammar, perfect everything, and could have been plucked right out of another scientific paper. And, in fact, they were. I put them into Google. Each of these sentences got a hit.”

Lawrence, who is in his mid-20s and studying biomedical science, kept researching online. He clicked through to a file-sharing website, where the study’s dataset was housed. Lawrence paid $10.80 for a subscription to reactivate the link, which had expired in January 2021, only to find the file required a password. He made a few attempts, and then he tried “1-2-3-4.” It worked.

From there, Lawrence discovered that the issues went far beyond plagiarism. The number of deaths cited in the paper did not match the number of deaths in the database. Some of the patient data had been duplicated. Other patients included in the trial had been hospitalized before the study began.

“I was working in my room,” he said. “And I went out of my room to tell everyone, you know, my housemates, being like, ‘Oh, my God, you will not believe what I’ve just found.’ ”

Lawrence would go on to contact Research Square, the website that published the paper, which had not been peer-reviewed. Within 24 hours, Lawrence got a response from the editor, and the website withdrew the paper in mid-July.

It’s just one of several retractions and withdrawals of studies pointing to ivermectin as a viable COVID-19 treatment, and the impact of this kind of fraudulent research is still reverberating. During the pandemic, there has been a surge of demand for ivermectin, a drug commonly used to treat parasites in people who live in regions of South America and Africa, as well as in livestock.

The number of monthly ivermectin prescriptions in the U.S. jumped to a high of 454,000 in August 2021, from about 57,000 in January 2020, according to healthcare data firm IQVIA. This figure doesn’t take into account veterinary prescriptions, which also increased when people began to seek out novel means of gaining access to the drug. Research published in January estimates that health insurers spent about $2.5 million on ivermectin prescriptions for COVID-19 in one week of August 2021.

The Benha research was cited in a doctor’s congressional testimony before it was debunked, and the drug has been touted by celebrities and politicians, as well as a mysterious and popular website with no known authors. Ivermectin proponents describe the drug as cheap, safe and readily available, and say it can work as both a COVID-19 treatment and prophylaxis.

Yet no comprehensive clinical trials have found that ivermectin works as a COVID-19 treatment. To make this issue even more complicated, no “gold standard” studies have yet found explicitly that it’s useless against COVID-19 or that it’s harmful to people taking it.

The ivermectin saga shows how the American drug regulatory system has been overrun by the pressures of the pandemic, including the rush to put out new research and then act immediately on those findings. This led a graduate student hacking into a database to find the truth, and the Food and Drug Administration cracking online jokes to warn people that ivermectin was not a suitable COVID-19 treatment. “You are not a horse,” the U.S. regulator tweeted in August, in an attempt to stop Americans from using ivermectin, warning the drug could be toxic if taken at the highly concentrated doses given to large animals.

Gideon Meyerowitz-Katz, an Australian epidemiologist who has become an expert on ivermectin during the pandemic, says it’s not unreasonable for the average person to think ivermectin is a solid COVID-19 treatment. After all, the public is watching trusted people recommend or take the drug. But he thinks they are being misled.

“A lot of the debate and discussion is driven by people who, for whatever reason, think ivermectin is a miracle cure, even despite the evidence that it probably isn’t,” Meyerowitz-Katz said. “It’s become incredibly politicized at this point.”

There will be new data coming soon from a pair of randomized clinical trials that may reveal just how effective ivermectin is as a COVID-19 treatment. Dr. David Boulware, an infectious-disease physician and scientist in charge of one of those ivermectin studies, says the whole point of testing drugs in people is to generate such definitive data.

“There’s tons of people prescribing [ivermectin], but there’s actually very little data,” Boulware says.

[SumJongGuy]

They plagiarized the text and fudged the data? Shocking I say!

[MTT]

At one point there was allot of talk about one Provence in India where ivermectin was heavily used and the overall results seemed to be better than other parts of the country that did things differently

The strange thing is I saw the information in print and video formats. But cannot seem to find it now

I have not even bothered to look at what it was initially prescribed for? I know humans we’re taking it for something

[MTT]

Uber is very busy I’m not supposed to be here

[Mazderati]

Someone here had a sig about never seeing crazy so clearly rendered in html. That was Pontius?

[SumJongGuy]

Bring back Hydroxichloroquine!

[bennymac]

bring back Spats!

[dunfree]

Yeah, but MTT says common sense doesn't support this. Apparently what you just posted is nonsensical. Sorry about that.

Seriously, it's amazing how many well-reasoned posts we've had in this discussion about Covid mitigation measures, but some people just will not listen. I don't understand.

thwy aren’t rational. They are children who want the trauma over and can’t cope.