The TGR Skinny Ski Ski Tourers' Refuge Thread

[CirqueScaler]

Screaming deal on Size 28 Palau liners, used once, on SGSAF right now:

[skis_the_trees]

l'm trying to sell or trade my randonerd suit. Listed in GS here:
https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...rd-1piece-Suit

[I've seen black diamonds!]

This might interest someone. 169 Alptracks 84 + skins for $550: https://boulder.craigslist.org/spo/d...410785468.html

[CirqueScaler]

This might interest someone. 169 Alptracks 84 + skins for $550: https://boulder.craigslist.org/spo/d...410785468.html

I messaged that guy a few weeks ago asking for $450 but he said he was firm. Maybe he'll go down a bit more now.

[funkendrenchman]

I have some Mezzalama boots for sale.

https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...lama-boot-26-5

[NWFlow]

Does booster or anyone make a skinny, light strap? I'm looking to get rid of the shitty Velcro strap on the skorpius and would like something stretchy with a cam

[Benneke10]

No one else that I'm aware of makes a stretchy power strap except Atomic. There was a recent Blister podcast with onenerdykid and he said Booster had some kind of patent that just expired, so Atomic is just now releasing their stretchy strap, but its super bulky and not appropriate for touring.

These are what you want, not stretchy but really nice, thin material with a cam strap https://skimo.co/dynafit-power-straps

[turnfarmer]

No one else that I'm aware of makes a stretchy power strap except Atomic. There was a recent Blister podcast with onenerdykid and he said Booster had some kind of patent that just expired, so Atomic is just now releasing their stretchy strap, but its super bulky and not appropriate for touring.

These are what you want, not stretchy but really nice, thin material with a cam strap https://skimo.co/dynafit-power-straps

Voile strap for the win

[NWFlow]

No one else that I'm aware of makes a stretchy power strap except Atomic. There was a recent Blister podcast with onenerdykid and he said Booster had some kind of patent that just expired, so Atomic is just now releasing their stretchy strap, but its super bulky and not appropriate for touring.

These are what you want, not stretchy but really nice, thin material with a cam strap https://skimo.co/dynafit-power-straps

Thanks, i see someone has even asked about skorpius compatibility under

[ctsmith]

I have a set of brand new, never mounted Plum 170’s with crampon holders that I’ll sell if anyones interested.

[cat in january]

Does booster or anyone make a skinny, light strap? I'm looking to get rid of the shitty Velcro strap on the skorpius and would like something stretchy with a cam

I contacted booster and they sent me one with a plastic buckle rather than metal

[NWFlow]

That's great info, thanks!

[I've seen black diamonds!]

These are stretchy but no cam:



I prefer the XL (wider) straps as they are a bit stiffer.

[climberevan]

scarpa F1 with a 178 voile hypercharger (106 underfoot)? Will an F1 help a mediocre skiier drive them in heavy pow? Any other "light-beef" recs for a boot?

I ski my Carbon Megawatts (120UF) with F1s. It's fine--it's not like I take those skis out when I expect to buy a bunch of high speed hardpack. The F1 is def a more forgiving boot than the RS. I suspect it would be a similar delta to a Travers, but the fit is supposed to be pretty different. Travers is known to be quite high volume.

[CirqueScaler]

Current setup is the fischer hannibal 96 paired with fischer travers boots. Makes for an epic fitness/volcano/spring setup. After skiing heavy pnw powder with them last weekend I'm thinking of getting a "lean-beef" setup to complement it for deeper days.

Am I crazy for thinking of pairing a scarpa F1 with a 178 voile hypercharger (106 underfoot)? Will an F1 help a mediocre skiier drive them in heavy pow? Any other "light-beef" recs for a boot?

I ski the hypercharger as my pow ski with F1 LTs. It's a really great ski - light but super easy to ski and lively. It might be a little narrow for you, though. At just 10mm wider, I'm not sure if it'd be "worth it" for you as the second in a two-ski quiver. Especially if you're on a 96 as your volcano ski with Ions. Maybe the Hyper V8 (110) would be a really good ski for you, or even the hyperdrifter (118).

The F1 will have no problem driving the ski, especially if you're skiing them in powder.

[kamtron]

Thanks for the input yall.

Appreciate the comparison to the RS. I feel like I don’t want/need a boot as stiff as the RS.

I definitely want to avoid a ski that is too similar to what I have going on. That 176 (112 UF) V8 looks pretty sweet… that’d put me +16mm from my current setup.

FWIW I have a Wayback 96 for volcanoes etc which I ski with a light boot (Backland) and a Supercharger (soon to be replaced by the Hyper) that I ski with a pretty heavy boot (MTN Explore). I personally would feel overpowered trying to ski heavy PNW pow with a lightweight boot... it's just not enough power transfer between my leg/foot and the ski. The Voile Hypercharger geometry is pretty different from the Hannibal even though the waist width is only 1 cm off. You have a much bigger shovel and overall surface area to float with. The Supercharger is a great ski for PNW, I just don't like skiing it with a light boot. I have a feeling the significantly lighter Hyperchargers would be easier to ski with a light boot unless the snow is wet, but I'll probably use my heavier ones on them anyway most of the time.

That said I certainly could ski my lightweight setup all the time. I do take them out on big missions in winter. I just have more fun riding the heavier setup in most midwinter PNW conditions. But it's probably a personal preference thing.

[BFD]

buying new boots tomorrow. Thinking TLT8 need the width. Is the Custom Light enough liner? Thinking SW CO winter. Spring AK expeditions. Skimo mentions liner often gets exchanged for Palau. Seems like if so should get the expedition and eat the 100 grams.

[CirqueScaler]

FWIW I have a Wayback 96 for volcanoes etc which I ski with a light boot (Backland) and a Supercharger (soon to be replaced by the Hyper) that I ski with a pretty heavy boot (MTN Explore). I personally would feel overpowered trying to ski heavy PNW pow with a lightweight boot... it's just not enough power transfer between my leg/foot and the ski. The Voile Hypercharger geometry is pretty different from the Hannibal even though the waist width is only 1 cm off. You have a much bigger shovel and overall surface area to float with. The Supercharger is a great ski for PNW, I just don't like skiing it with a light boot. I have a feeling the significantly lighter Hyperchargers would be easier to ski with a light boot unless the snow is wet, but I'll probably use my heavier ones on them anyway most of the time.

That said I certainly could ski my lightweight setup all the time. I do take them out on big missions in winter. I just have more fun riding the heavier setup in most midwinter PNW conditions. But it's probably a personal preference thing.

Good points. I ski in the Wasatch and have never skied PNW snow.

[I've seen black diamonds!]

Am I crazy for thinking of pairing a scarpa F1 with a 178 voile hypercharger (106 underfoot)? Will an F1 help a mediocre skiier drive them in heavy pow? Any other "light-beef" recs for a boot?

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I have skied many days on F1s with ultra light skis but also 182 UL GPOs, Zero G 108s and Zero G 105s. Great boot. They don't have that on/off feeling that most light boots have and the range of motion is far better than all the heavier boots I've skied. It's a tweener boot that just works and is extremely durable. They handle sturdier touring skis fine if you're a solid skier and the snow is ok.

But if you want to enjoy skiing bad snow go with something like the Zero G Tour Pro or Hawx XTD. You lose a significant range of motion compared to the F1, but they don't weight much more. And they are much, much more supportive. Some people have a maximum weight or width they're willing to entertain with touring gear. That's fine. I certainly understand the pleasure of moving efficiently uphill. But weight weenies (I count myself as a part time weight weenie) have a tendency to overstate small differences in performance between similar products because they don't consider gear beyond a certain size or weight. If you want more control going downhill you can get a small boost buy getting F1s or you can get near-alpine performance from a different class of boot.

That said, it seems like the light-but-stiff boot everyone is praising right now is the La Sportiva Skorpius. I haven't skied them and likely never will (like most La Sportiva boots the fit is... particular) but they are quite stiff.

[CirqueScaler]

People have also been saying that the Dynafit Radical might be a ZeroG or Hawx-type boot that walks like a 1kg boot. And not a LS-type fit boot.

[Tailwind]

After some feedback from this thread, I tracked down a pair of La Sportiva Skorpius' to slip on. Really excited about the fit and flex, I have a super low instep so these felt like game changers. The range of motion is 'very good' but not as smooth as the F1 LT or Alien RS (I compared the three) at the end of the day, they fit me best so I'll be trying to free up some money for a pair.

I have a pair of Alien RS's that I'll be tossing up on Gearswap if anyone is interested. Size 28. Low days (like 9-10) some scuffing on the plastic but minimal. No hiking on rock or anything of the sort. I wish I had a higher instep because these would be golden if I did.

Also... if anyone has a lightly used 27.5 Skorpius I'd be interested.

[climberevan]

I'll take those RS just to have as a spare. PM incoming.

[Jonathan S.]

Shameless commercial plug:
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And remember to review the list of "invalid reasons for not ordering":
https://nerandorace.blogspot.com/p/l...ce-outfit.html

(Disclaimer of sorts: despite the shameless commercial plug, I receive no commission from the suit sales, or any other financial compensation from Hagan. And even though my race series is organized as a for-profit entity, but I've never made any money from all that effort. Fortunately my real gig is more successful financially!)

[timmaio]

Shameless commercial plug:
https://www.haganskimountaineering.c...agan-race-suit

And remember to review the list of "invalid reasons for not ordering":
https://nerandorace.blogspot.com/p/l...ce-outfit.html

(Disclaimer of sorts: despite the shameless commercial plug, I receive no commission from the suit sales, or any other financial compensation from Hagan. And even though my race series is organized as a for-profit entity, but I've never made any money from all that effort. Fortunately my real gig is more successful financially!)

These race suits really are sweet. I use them for long single day mountaineering missions with softshells on top. Great storage for skins, food, water and a zippered beacon pocket. Not just for racing.

[wilcox510]

Too bad those Radical boots aren't lighter. According to skimo.co's numbers they are almost 200 g per boot heavier than Zero Gs