Dreamer question

[wooley12]

The Brit is a student of the Constitution. Most naturalized citizens know more about it that the guys and gals in congress. So what would need to be Amended?

[PNWbrit]

And how many of those were done when it was deemed necessary?

We should number them or something to make this answer easier?

[wooley12]

Please say a prayer for my young friend Brian. He came to the US with his parents when he was three and the government is stepping up the hunt. He is to be arrested, jailed and deported away from his baby daughter. Brian graduated from HS with an A average and like my immigrant son father, he could have been the first in his family to go to college. He wears the 2020 version of a yellow star every day. My America loses.

Removal of DACA recipients has begun

https://thehill.com/opinion/immigrat...al-ball-to-see

[Core Shot]

Fuck your polyass spam

Did you see this paragraph n your article?
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Obama had other options

Obama guaranteed that a comprehensive immigration bill he could strongly support would be introduced during the first year of his administration — and he could have kept that promise. From January 2009 to January 2011, the Democrats had a majority in the House, and until Scott Brown’s special election in 2010, they had enough votes in the Senate to stop a filibuster.

Obama and the Democratically controlled Congress could have passed any immigration bill they wanted during this period, but that didn’t stop Obama from claiming in June 2012 that he had to create DACA with an executive order because Congress had failed to act.

[wooley12]

i love you too honey.

[liv2ski]

Obummer, pretty much all Hope and no Change

[old goat]

Please say a prayer for my young friend Brian. He came to the US with his parents when he was three and the government is stepping up the hunt. He is to be arrested, jailed and deported away from his baby daughter. Brian graduated from HS with an A average and like my immigrant son father, he could have been the first in his family to go to college. He wears the 2020 version of a yellow star every day. My America loses.

Removal of DACA recipients has begun

https://thehill.com/opinion/immigrat...al-ball-to-see

Has there been recent action personally against your friend or is it general concern based on the article you posted? We have a friend in the same situation.

[wooley12]

If you read the article, and can smell the coffee the action will not taken by an invitation to meet. Vibes for your friend. Hell of a way to live.

[old goat]

Maybe I'm naive, but I'm hopeful that the idea of deporting dreamers will be so repulsive to all but the most ardent foes of immigration--Steven Miller and the like--that it will be politically impossible. The dreamers may be valuable enough as bargaining chips--to get wall funding for example--to keep them around, maybe after deporting a few. to show they mean business. But like I said, maybe I'm naive. Hopefully this will be tied up in the courts until Jan 2021.

[evdog]

Maybe I'm naive, but I'm hopeful that the idea of deporting dreamers will be so repulsive to all but the most ardent foes of immigration--Steven Miller and the like--that it will be politically impossible.

Well, you would think once the Repubs realize all their gardeners, cleaners and laborers are being deported and the only people left to hire for such work are their lazy, entitled, asshole kids they'll have a change of heart.

[riser4]

Well, you would think once the Repubs realize all their gardeners, cleaners and laborers are being deported and the only people left to hire for such work are their lazy, entitled, asshole kids they'll have a change of heart.

No, they will, in a massive bit of irony, legalize slavery in order to get that stuff done. The prison population will be greatly increased as they make it a crime to be poor, exercise free speech, disagree with dear leader, etc. Prisoners will provide the slave labor.

[gatorboy]

Not getting political......because arguing with idiots is exhausting.

*I hope your friend (all all DACA recipients) can soon live their lives without fear. +++Vibes+++

[DBdude]

I like to think I am a liberal and then I read riser’s posts and cringe and feel dirty


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[old goat]

I like to think I am a liberal and then I read riser’s posts and cringe and feel dirty


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imprisonment for "vagrancy" and the use and hiring out of those prisoners as laborers, followed by disenfranchisement has a long history in this country. The other stuff not, at least not yet.

[DBdude]

inmates in our prison system are not well treated but I have issues that our system fucks over the poor and the powerless for free work. they get poor treatment because that is just the way the system works. there is no desire to imprison people for cheap labor. being poor and powerless is enough

the cost to imprison people is pretty high - there is no payback and net financial gain in putting people in prison. if you think that I have a foil hat for you and a bridge for sale in ny

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Does rubbing one out in the shower make me a mass murderer?

Oh the humanity, the toxic masculinity is palpable.

[riser4]

inmates in our prison system are not well treated but I have issues that our system fucks over the poor and the powerless for free work. they get poor treatment because that is just the way the system works. there is no desire to imprison people for cheap labor. being poor and powerless is enough

the cost to imprison people is pretty high - there is no payback and net financial gain in putting people in prison. if you think that I have a foil hat for you and a bridge for sale in ny

Who's to say that won't change?

[riser4]

I like to think I am a liberal and then I read riser’s posts and cringe and feel dirty


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You are right of center. How is that 'liberal'? What's your politicalcompass.org score? Last I knew I was around -8, -10. I put you around +1, +1.

[old goat]

inmates in our prison system are not well treated but I have issues that our system fucks over the poor and the powerless for free work. they get poor treatment because that is just the way the system works. there is no desire to imprison people for cheap labor. being poor and powerless is enough

the cost to imprison people is pretty high - there is no payback and net financial gain in putting people in prison. if you think that I have a foil hat for you and a bridge for sale in ny

do a little research about prison farms in the south. It may not be that way in Bernie Sanders country, but it is still going on in the US.
or look at Florida--the people voted conclusively to restore voting rights to ex felons; the legislature nullified the vote for poor people by requiring the felons to pay all fines and costs, so only white collar criminals get their voting rights back. And keep in mind that many of the "criminals" sent to prison farms are guilty only of being homeless, and huge numbers are guilty of non-violent small time drug offenses, often simple possession, and seem to be overwhelmingly black and brown despite the fact that drug use is equally prevalent among whites.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison_farm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vagrancy
you are naive about what goes on in less enlightened parts of the country.

[mcski]

Prisons are profitable. Why else would we have private prisons popping as fast as prison industry lobbyists open shop in DC?. It’s a growth industry. Prison Industrial Complex. No foil hat needed

[stuckathuntermtn]

I think the Florida thing might be under review/challenge in some way because they don't even have a uniform way of determining how much an ex-con owes. You ask different people you get different answers.

[ill-advised strategy]

You are right of center. How is that 'liberal'? What's your politicalcompass.org score? Last I knew I was around -8, -10. I put you around +1, +1.

Just took it. It says -8.25/-4.0.
This is like The Ogden where negative values mean I’m nicer right?

[riser4]

Just took it. It says -8.25/-4.0.
This is like The Ogden where negative values mean I’m nicer right?

Yes.

[riser4]

Prisons are profitable. Why else would we have private prisons popping as fast as prison industry lobbyists open shop in DC?. It’s a growth industry. Prison Industrial Complex. No foil hat needed

For profit prisons should be banned.

[frorider]

Fuck your polyass spam

Did you see this paragraph n your article?
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Obama had other options

Obama guaranteed that a comprehensive immigration bill he could strongly support would be introduced during the first year of his administration — and he could have kept that promise. From January 2009 to January 2011, the Democrats had a majority in the House, and until Scott Brown’s special election in 2010, they had enough votes in the Senate to stop a filibuster.

Obama and the Democratically controlled Congress could have passed any immigration bill they wanted during this period, but that didn’t stop Obama from claiming in June 2012 that he had to create DACA with an executive order because Congress had failed to act.

Let’s deal with the factual errors in the above.

1. That wasn’t an article, it was clearly labeled as Opinion. And we all know that Opinion pieces on thehill.com are often bizarre propaganda.

2. The filibuster-proof senate majority period was about 5 months. This Hill opinion writer is just repeating party line propaganda. At any rate Schumer and Pelosi didn’t seem particularly inclined to help drive this Dreamer issue during that window. https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_1929869