Used Vehicle Purchase - Title Question (in name of previous owner)

[splat]

Not yet. I haven't seen it in person yet. Explicit that if vehicle has undescribed issues, deal is off.

Don't know the age but.....East coast rigs get funky fast in all that salt. Bolts and nuts become one, fenders start to disappear and floors can become little more than ferrous oxide.

[summit]

@Leavenworth good advice tnx. I'll have all those points hit. The local office is pretty chill the few times I've been and its mud season so nobody there.

Right, rely on the local DMV (or whatever it's called in your state) re transferring title, registration and licensing. In some states a bill of sale is required when transferring ownership of any vehicle. In other states a bill or sale is required in some circumstances.

Whenever I buy any used item of significant value (e.g., vehicle, machinery) I insist on a bill of sale with an express representation and warranty that the seller is the true and lawful owner of the chattel, and that the seller transfers the item free and clear of liens, claims and encumbrances. That gives me recourse against the seller if a third party makes a claim of ownership or lien against the item.

In this case, the bill of sale would come from the person who could make the claim (guy on title)... unless you mean getting a bill of sale from the seller (not the guy on title)?

[summit]

Don't know the age but.....East coast rigs get funky fast in all that salt. Bolts and nuts become one, fenders start to disappear and floors can become little more than ferrous oxide.

Good advice. I'll inspect the underbody closely.

2003 Ford with 70k... carfax says it spent its life in Mass and NYC

[stuckathuntermtn]

No one has asked the important question: what is/are you getting airbrushed on the side? Hopefully a viking riding a unicorn shitting a rainbow

[Bobby Stainless]

Change the name. Unless you are a Sandy of course.

[GeezerSteve]

In this case, the bill of sale would come from the person who could make the claim (guy on title). . . .

Well, the express language I use does two things: (a) an express warranty that the seller (in this case the title holder) is the lawful owner and has power to transfer the vehicle, and (b) provide recourse against the seller if a third party someday comes out of the woodwork with a claim of ownership or lien. Those third party claims would include a claim by the CO guy who currently possesses the vehicle. In this case, I'd likely also ask for a written disclaimer of ownership from the CO guy.

FWIW, I have relied on bills of sale to seek recourse for several clients, one of them a buyer of a very expensive (>$1 million) item of equipment against which a third party later asserted a claim.

[summit]

You law talkin guys think of things I just don't think of... Tnx!

[MultiVerse]

Tangentially, used turnkey adventure vans in Utardia in good shape are priced in the mid $80s

https://www.ksl.com/classifieds/listing/52063736

https://www.ksl.com/classifieds/listing/50883460

[oldblue]

Close, but no cigar. Get a bill of sale, not a mere receipt.

Semantics...but that's what you do here so

[summit]

Well this might kill it...


I knew there was no passenger seat, but there was a passenger airbag and a passenger door. I figured there'd be mounting placements under the flooring since they presumably make all econoline vans with front seat mounts... but is that cutout for the step where the seat would mount meaning no hope of putting in a front passenger seat?

[iceman]

It would be a miracle if that thing doesn't have some rust going. I took my '04 truck into a body shop in Mass last year to get a dent fixed and they were freaking out that there's no rust on it, but it's because it has lived every winter in Maryland, not Mass. Look down south I'd say.

[GeezerSteve]

Well this might kill it.

Oh shit. And those shuttle buses get lots of stop & go wear & tear

Semantics...but that's what you do here so

Ah, c'mon, receipt vs. bill of sale is a substantive distinction

[TAFKALVS]

those shuttle buses get lots of stop & go wear & tear

And driven by a minimum wage 20 year old who probably gave 2 fucks about not hammering on it... Not to mention most ski areas are notorious for driving things in to the ground.

I'd be careful.

[gravitylover]

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[digitaldeath]

Dude if this ain’t a 5.5 liter or better Mercedes you wasting our time

Ok

[Harry]

Vehicle owned by a ski area

most ski areas are notorious for driving things in to the ground.

I'd be careful.

^^^^ THIS x 1,000

I live at a ski resort and no fucking way would I ever buy one of their former vehicles.

[summit]

Oh shit. And those shuttle buses get lots of stop & go wear & tear

Wheelchair van, short wheel base regular length so not really a shuttle but kinda.

[iceman]

Wheelchair van? So the step is some sort of a cruel joke?

[RShea]

Well this might kill it...


I knew there was no passenger seat, but there was a passenger airbag and a passenger door. I figured there'd be mounting placements under the flooring since they presumably make all econoline vans with front seat mounts... but is that cutout for the step where the seat would mount meaning no hope of putting in a front passenger seat?

Only way to tell if it was modified after the fact is probably look at the underneath and see if there looks like some welding done for the step mount, etc. Also how easy is it to replace an area big enough for the seat and compare to the driver side as to how close the passenger seat needs to be mounted from the door or is it closer to the center console.

[summit]

Also how easy is it to replace an area big enough for the seat and compare to the driver side as to how close the passenger seat needs to be mounted from the door or is it closer to the center console.

That last sentence I was not quite able to decode...

[RShea]

That last sentence I was not quite able to decode...

The step could have been a modification by the wheel chair adaption? So could just re cover the step to make an area platform big enough to mount the other bucket seat. Or the step may not need much modification if the passenger seat is closer to the center of the van. Sort of like this photo example:

Notice the relation of the passenger seat to the console compared to the drivers seat -closer to the console center point. If lucky, that step may not be as much of an issue and easy out with a nice passenger swivel captain chair mounted up. Or you could need a good part of the step cutout to be returned to factory design and have to weld a plate for the seat mount to work...

[splat]

Wheelchair van? So the step is some sort of a cruel joke?

I lol'd so hard I cried.

[ski-wpk]

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[summit]

Wheelchair van? So the step is some sort of a cruel joke?

HA!

It was a series of tiny steps and there are external steps on the door... so maybe its useful for someone on crutches or a fused spine?

The wheelchair lift was located by the barn doors (whats normally a sliding door on a van).

[summit]

The step could have been a modification by the wheel chair adaption? So could just re cover the step to make an area platform big enough to mount the other bucket seat. Or the step may not need much modification if the passenger seat is closer to the center of the van. Sort of like this photo example:

Notice the relation of the passenger seat to the console compared to the drivers seat -closer to the console center point. If lucky, that step may not be as much of an issue and easy out with a nice passenger swivel captain chair mounted up. Or you could need a good part of the step cutout to be returned to factory design and have to weld a plate for the seat mount to work...

I see what you are saying. I went an measured it out on an E150 and the step modification definitely removed the mount outer mount holes and would require such an inboard mount that it would be flush with the center console or have to be moved back to the point where it interfered with the side entrance or camp van space in an already tight floorplan (this is a normal length short wheelbase van). This thing is already quite a compromise... too much so and I lose the motivation to pump time, sweat, and $ into building it up.

So to make it work for me I'd have to strip all the flammable materials, isolate and protect any electrical lines, and have my welder buddy try to restore the floor to the point where a seat could be mounted with equal strength to the original. THEN I restore the plastic covering and go find a rotating mount and seat, start drilling and bolting the seat on... THEN I can start on the actual camper van part.

That's a lot of time and effort. I could ask for a big price break but even then...