Water 2018

[Mazderati]

Second, it ignores population. There are a fuckload more people in the east than the west:

Which is why portions of the potential water shortage map that considers water availability and use as compared to availability only are surprising for some areas of the east. Average annual rainfall is higher in Boston than Seattle yet potential for water shortage is higher in Boston.

http://www.businessinsider.com/us-dr...carcity-2013-5

[iceman]

^^that map is wack.

"The report doesn't predict when or where the water scarcity will become an issue. In New York and Washington, D.C., for example, water is brought in from outside of the city from other sources, which are typically plentiful."

So New York and D.C. are at the "highest risk", yet accessible water sources are "typically plentiful". okey dokey.

[The AD]

Is that single dot in Oregon Hood River? Obviously they are consuming too much water brewing beer.

[Benny Profane]

Wow, even by your standards this is an impressive level of hubris. I'm going to trust the rigorous analysis done by Columbia University over your anecdotal BS on this one.

Holy shit. Anecdotal? I live here. All my life. Along with hundreds of millions. Ok, I think droughts have happened in my life. As a matter of fact, we had a mini drought the summer before last in my hood. But that shit is short lived. One good storm front, and we're back to normal. There are cities in the West that are in perpetual, severe drought. It's the FUCKING DESERT. Vegas? What the fuck. L.A.? Really? 1 inch a year. Steve is still fixated on his little island of wet up in the upper right, but millions live in a very arid environment, always was, always will be, and millions are moving there over time. Look at the sprawl of SLC, Denver, Phoenix, Vegas, Reno, you name it. Just more and more. Last year I slept overnight on Aurora, SE of Denver proper, before I did the long drive east. It's all brand new out there. Like, 100%, brand new. Homes, roads, strip malls, schools. All of it was scrub twenty, maybe ten years ago. And it's not as though it's stopping. Land is cheap, fuel is cheap (and is an industry fueling the economy, too), and regulations are a joke. Nobody cares about the future. It's all short term profit and political gain. But, people dig it, I guess. New house, and the weather is not bad at all. Hardly rains, snow evaporates almost instantly. Haha, then travels the jet stream and rains on Ct..

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[old goat]

Interior PNW farming irrigation is fed by snowmelt and rain water, which is forecasted to be sustained or increase per climate change modeling. Perhaps you're confusing that with mining water from the Ogallala Aquifer to irrigate farming in NE, CO, KS, etc. Take a lap, and next time do some simple research before you post ignorant shit like that.

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...rn-washington/
and Benny also was referring to CA, where the state got through the recent 5 year drought (and we seem to be starting another one this year) by sucking groundwater. 2 years ago the state passed a law, over considerable objection, requiring groundwater users to report how much they were pumping. No restrictions--yet.
And do you think you could stop shouting?

Not so simple.

http://www.businessinsider.com/us-dr...carcity-2013-5

The red starts at the 100th meridian, as first reported by John Wesley Powell. "Beyond the 100th Meridian", Wallace Stegner's biography of Powell, is mandatory reading on the subject. Powell did a lot more than run the Colorado. He spent his career fighting the boosters who claimed that water would follow the plow and that 140 acres could support a farmer in the west (excluding the PNW of course. Don't want to raise Old Steve's blood pressure).

Maybe we should say NorCal is excluded too.

Nope. Norcal may have better water resources than Socal but the recent 5 year drought nearly emptied reservoirs. Many farmers in the north as well of the south were receiving 0 water deliveries and stayed in business only by drastically withdrawing groundwater. A lot of small water districts in coastal norcal have no delivery from the Sierra and the big water projects and are highly depending on small reservoirs fed by coastal rivers and streams. In the 76-77 drought many of these communities were in dire condition. But the big threat to CA is global warming. There is not nearly enough reservoir space and no good additional dam sites to capture all the winter runoff when it rains instead of snow. CA, including the north, is dependent on snow stored in the Sierra and released gradually through the spring and summer. Global warming is here. 2 winters ago there was more rain than snow at Lake Tahoe level (6000 ft), and while last winter is remembered for the snow, there was a huge amount of rain at 6000 ft.

[summit]

Nope. Norcal may have better water resources than Socal but the recent 5 year drought nearly emptied reservoirs. Many farmers in the north as well of the south were receiving 0 water deliveries and stayed in business only by drastically withdrawing groundwater. A lot of small water districts in coastal norcal have no delivery from the Sierra and the big water projects and are highly depending on small reservoirs fed by coastal rivers and streams. In the 76-77 drought many of these communities were in dire condition. But the big threat to CA is global warming. There is not nearly enough reservoir space and no good additional dam sites to capture all the winter runoff when it rains instead of snow. CA, including the north, is dependent on snow stored in the Sierra and released gradually through the spring and summer. Global warming is here. 2 winters ago there was more rain than snow at Lake Tahoe level (6000 ft), and while last winter is remembered for the snow, there was a huge amount of rain at 6000 ft.

Ouch

[Benny Profane]

Climate change, global warming, blah blah. Everybody points at the bathtub ring on Lake Powell and says, look, the world is ending. Can we at least consider one thing? When that dam was built, the population of major western cities was minimal. Vegas didn't even exist, it was the original work camp. Now, Furgetabout the thirties and forties, depression and war, no growth. So, since the late fifties and early sixties, just about fifty years (fifty!), there has been massive growth in the population using that water source, and, of course, industrial farming maturing at the same time. How can that be ignored for the reason we're seeing a situation? That's a big straw getting sucked on, every day. But, no, if I hear anything at all, it's, ooh ooh, the earth is warming, the earth is warming. Not, how about stopping the growth? Yeah, right.

China is much worse. They've built these huge cities, at the same time, poisoning their present fresh water supply. They'll be the first to fire the first shot, unless President Arpaio rides in on his horse and directs his Arizona militia to invade most of the American west.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Climate change, global warming, blah blah. Everybody points at the bathtub ring on Lake Powell and says, look, the world is ending. Can we at least consider one thing? When that dam was built, the population of major western cities was minimal. Vegas didn't even exist, it was the original work camp. Now, Furgetabout the thirties and forties, depression and war, no growth. So, since the late fifties and early sixties, just about fifty years (fifty!), there has been massive growth in the population using that water source, and, of course, industrial farming maturing at the same time. How can that be ignored for the reason we're seeing a situation? That's a big straw getting sucked on, every day. But, no, if I hear anything at all, it's, ooh ooh, the earth is warming, the earth is warming. Not, how about stopping the growth? Yeah, right.

China is much worse. They've built these huge cities, at the same time, poisoning their present fresh water supply. They'll be the first to fire the first shot, unless President Arpaio rides in on his horse and directs his Arizona militia to invade most of the American west.

I think you're confusing Glen Canyon Dam/Lake Powell with Boulder(Hoover) Dam/Lake Mead. GCD was completed in 1966. Las Vegas was thriving and loaded with Casinos by 1966.

[Benny Profane]

No, Im not confused, and Vegas was nothing in 66 compared to today. Yeah, the whole rat pack thing was going on, but, Frank would be shocked at today's Vegas.
And, the way it's going, today's Vegas may be a charming memory. Until they run out of water.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

No, Im not confused, and Vegas was nothing in 66 compared to today. Yeah, the whole rat pack thing was going on, but, Frank would be shocked at today's Vegas.
And, the way it's going, today's Vegas may be a charming memory. Until they run out of water.

Yeah, you are confused. How are we supposed to take you seriously when you are in the early stages of dementia. You keep throwing out all the shit as fact when a large part of what you've said on the subject is uninformed and wrong.

[Benny Profane]

Son, I walked the strip in 66. Fuck off.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Son, I walked the strip in 66. Fuck off.

Then you know it was not 'nothing'. Vegas was nothing when Boulder dam was built. Lake Powell and GCD are a long way from Vegas. 270 miles.

[Benny Profane]

Thanks for the history and geography lesson. But still, fuck off.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Thanks for the history and geography lesson. But still, fuck off.

It sucks to be old and wrong, huh?

[Benny Profane]

Your avatar is what sucks at the moment. Are you a girl?

[Danno]

200+ miles is a long way away for the dam's "work camp".

[Danno]

Benny, it's ok to say "yeah, I mixed the two up, I meant Lake Mead, but my point still stands". Why double down on an obvious error? That's very Trump-ian of you.

[Rideski]

Bunny be like
I live in Johannesburg.
Capetown can
FUCK OFF

[Shredhead]

Thank god I live in a place with no tornadoes, eartquakes, massive fires, and plenty of lemonade stands.

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Please stay there and keep prepping.
Our civilization’s only hope!

[Benny Profane]

Benny, it's ok to say "yeah, I mixed the two up, I meant Lake Mead, but my point still stands". Why double down on an obvious error? That's very Trump-ian of you.

No, I didn't confuse anything. The ring Is on Lake Powell. The Hoover Dam is further downriver. Las Vegas is nearby. In between is the Grand Canyon. It's all sorta the same place linked by the Colorado river. But, more important, It's the FUCKING DESERT. With golf courses and fountains.

[The AD]

The red starts at the 100th meridian, as first reported by John Wesley Powell. "Beyond the 100th Meridian", Wallace Stegner's biography of Powell, is mandatory reading on the subject. Powell did a lot more than run the Colorado. He spent his career fighting the boosters who claimed that water would follow the plow and that 140 acres could support a farmer in the west (excluding the PNW of course. Don't want to raise Old Steve's blood pressure).

Another worthwhile read is Bad Land by Jonathan Raban.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

No, I didn't confuse anything. The ring Is on Lake Powell. The Hoover Dam is further downriver. Las Vegas is nearby. In between is the Grand Canyon. It's all sorta the same place linked by the Colorado river. But, more important, It's the FUCKING DESERT. With golf courses and fountains.

You're all over the place old man. Are you drooling?

[Norseman]

Steve has hit this point a time or two already, Bobby 😁

[Benny Profane]

Yup. Gotta remember to start drinking more water. It's so dry there.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Yup. Gotta remember to start drinking more water. It's so dry there.

It is dry here. In the area I live we get less than 9" of precipitation annually. I can see a river from my house that has more than ten times the discharge of the Hudson.