G3 Skin glue: too tacky?

[Ottime]

Fuck. I have G3s Alpinist and no problems. Probably 70-100 days on them by now. I don't put them in my coat, but I also rarely see temps below 15F. Fold them glue to glue. Sure, you have to have a little upper body strength to pull them a part when cold. no biggie. Keep the snow/ice off them, which should not be to hard if it is actually cold out. Never really liked the cheat sheets in my pack as they were too bulky. I just figure when my skins wear out, then it is time to buy new skis. They never wear out fast enough, imo.

[icelanticskier]

so fucking funneh to hear the lil girlymen complain about pulling skinz apart. they come in the shop all the time. i tell em to sack up. at 1st their like, wha? then when they realize i'm serious, they start to "get it".

rog

[skiingsamurai]

Im not bitching about the skins sticking to themselves, im trying to figure out if your skins leave a ton of glue on everything they touch...

Sticky skins = good
Runny glue = bad

[icelanticskier]

Im not bitching about the skins sticking to themselves, im trying to figure out if your skins leave a ton of glue on everything they touch...

Sticky skins = good
Runny glue = bad

Never encountered the phenomenon myself. I could imagine a bad batch to be responsible. Misuse probable. Like seeing folks skin up to a high point on a sunny day then mindlessly stick skis in the snow by sticking tails down into the snow or laying skis down and leaving skin side up facing the sun. Sun hits skins, skins heat up, glue heats up, bases heat up, and some or a lot of glue stays on bases once skins are pulled.

rog

[XXX-er]

Yeah SS I assumed that you were talking about runny G3 glue that migrates onto everything I have seen > a couple of those instances which is just what I see with G3 glue that has gone bad, I don't think its always the users fault

I have also seen G3 glue so sticky you needed 2 people to pull the skins apart and then the glue came off in patches

Right now I got a brand new pair of G3 alpinist I bought in 2011, they lost most of the glue so I get warranty in 2012, they sit in the box for 1 yr while I skied a dynafit setup, 2014 I trim them up for the new lotus 120's, 1st time out the skins pull apart OK but they were unusually tough to pull off the ski and then there was residual glue on the bases

they have exactly 4.2 kms of icy groomed ski hill slope on them, the plush still looks good still but the glue is having problems

They are now way out of warranty but brand new, rather than raising a stink to get a warranty claim on a warranty claim or trying the reheat if this continues to be a problem I will just scrape all that shit off and reglue with gold label

[icelanticskier]

And I never understood why folks bother to buy g3 skins when bd skins are and always have been far superior.

I carried g3 skins once. Never ordered them again.

rog

[XXX-er]

This is the 1st time you mentioned you don't use G3, why are you posting advice & blaming the end users in a thread on a product you don't even use ?

[icelanticskier]

Ultimately I'm advising folks not use g3 skins cuz they hava history of sucking. And I shared some ways that folks get glue stuck on bases by misuse. And I'm freestyling yo.

rog

[skiingsamurai]

And I never understood why folks bother to buy g3 skins when bd skins are and always have been far superior.

I carried g3 skins once. Never ordered them again.

rog

...came used with the setup. I just dont want to drop the cash on a new set of skins when I already have a set that "work".
I'm BD faithful when buying new skins

[samthaman]

And I never understood why folks bother to buy g3 skins when bd skins are and always have been far superior.

I carried g3 skins once. Never ordered them again.

rog

If by superior you mean that bd skins are heavier, bulkier and glide like shit, then yeah spot on. Face it, you have pretty weird gear preferences Rog. Last I checked you were still loud and proud about fritschis for life and never using a walk mode on boots.

[PNWbrit]

You should get Coltex skins.

You'll never bitch about other ones being difficult to separate again.

[icelanticskier]

If by superior you mean that bd skins are heavier, bulkier and glide like shit, then yeah spot on. Face it, you have pretty weird gear preferences Rog. Last I checked you were still loud and proud about fritschis for life and never using a walk mode on boots.

face it, bd's are better. Durability, grip, and glue trump weight, bulk, and glide all day long. You want glide? Go waxless. You can have yer AT walk mode boots, boy, just don't let me catch you (again) fumbling and stumbling around in yer walk moded Lugged soled cramponed AT boots with axe in hand looking like you were ready to pop off the booter sheesh, some folk need all the help they kin get

rog

[skiingsamurai]

I'm still not bitching about pulling skins apart. Read the damn thread.


Im going to try to iron the glue tonight to see if it will reconstitute

[icelanticskier]

Just take that shit glue off and apply gold label. Start fresh and put on the good stuff. You can do a meh job of it and they'll still come out way better than new g3's.

rog

[I've seen black diamonds!]

Orange Ascension are my least favorite. Grip is great, but they have the worst glide of any skins. I'd say it's unacceptably bad. And they're the stiffest. The thick plastic on the new BD tip attachment lifts the skin away from the ski so a little snow always gets jammed in there. On the next lap a little more snow gets jammed in there. As a result the glue on the tips gets wonky pretty fast. This isn't a huge issue, but it is annoying.

Also, I've had more issue with BD glue over the years than G3 glue. I had one pair of BD mohair mix skins on which the glue was too weak from day 1. Warrantied them. The replacement pair needs a reglue after about 40-50 days. Not too bad, but I have a pair of G3 skins that have seen similar use that are in better shape in every way. And the tip and tail attachment are superior, as well as the trimmer. The superior attachment system keeps the tip and tail more secure, which keeps snow off the glue, which makes the glue last longer.

That said, I would buy BD mohair mix skins again (I will not buy orange ascensions) at the right price. It's a good product. I just prefer G3.

Haven't used Coltex. From handling a couple pairs, I wouldn't be surprised if they're better than either of the above. They're thinner, lighter and more supple.

[Spats]

Orange Ascension are my least favorite. Grip is great, but they have the worst glide of any skins. I'd say it's unacceptably bad. And they're the stiffest.

I was wondering if I was the only person who noticed that.

Personally I've had great luck with climbingskinsdirect...the glue isn't insane or not sticky, it responds well to a heat gun refresh, they have much better glide than orange Ascensions and only marginally less grip, and they're cheap.

[icelanticskier]

Orange ascensions give hundreds of days with no trouble. No
Heating, treating, re-gluing. Stiff? Lol!

Best grip too. Isn't that more important than glide? I mean you don't skin for speed. You skin to get up the hill.

rog

[Lindahl]

Also not a fan of ascensions because of poor glide. I have no problem getting up steep skin tracks with other skins, and I'm a lot fresher and quicker with the better glide I get. Corn its not so bad, but a HUGE difference in soft snow. I also like straight skins a lot of the time, at least in my powder skis (even on windboard). Haven't tried straights for corn touring. Big fan of mohair, but excited to try some alpinists later this year.

[Spats]

rog: have you actually tried the CSD skins?

1. Water gets into the glue of orange Ascensions just like everything else. Sometimes you need to heat it out -> fact

2. Poor glide holds you back with every step. And the grip difference between CSD (which claim to be the old purple Ascension fabric) and orange Ascensions is small: if it's that steep and icy, I want my crampons on anyway.

Can't compare them to newer G3s, I've only used the old silver ones. And I had the same problem with the glue back then: after it got old, it stuck to my bases.

[I've seen black diamonds!]

Rog doesn't has stated repeatedly that he avoids objectives that involve approaches. If I did nearly all of my skinning up the Tuckerman Ravine Trail, the GOS trail and the cog, I wouldn't care much about glide either. Ascensions on flats = anchors.

The stiffness is annoying because they take up slightly more space in a pack, or, if you put them in your jacket, it feels like you're wearing broken down cardboard box. Again, these things are minor compared to the shitty glide.

[icelanticskier]

I've toured with the orange ones all over with hundreds of days out west and Canada with no issues or complaints. My western and chic chic tours involved longer flatter approaches/sections. And why the fuck would I complain about the glide when no one can keep up with me anyway?

I just use what works and stand behind what I sell and gets I the least negative customer feedback. For most, glue and grip are the most important factors.

rog

[Ottime]

I've used both. To real complaints. But then again, I don't bitch and moan an grandstand like most of the folks around here. I'll buy what I can find cheapest. They both seem to work fine from my experience. But I imagine bad batches happen with any company

[neck beard]

For most, glue and grip are the most important factors.

That is because most have really poor skinning and track setting technique, and rely on grip as a result. They also have poor skin handling habits, and therefore rely on mega-glue as a result.

That is why the Orange BD Ascension skins are known as the "training wheels" of skins. They are a crutch.

Having said that, many people own a pair (crutch) that they otherwise don't really need because they are indestructible.

Jump day to day between Ascension and Pomoca pro glide skins and you'll laugh at how absurd the difference in glide is. Because I use what I've got, not what I want, I have Ascensions on 107s and Pomoca greens on 128s, and they glide WAY better despite the significant width difference.

I reckon I break more trail in powder than most.

[NoPostholio]

Wow, another thread where Rawj shares his myopia stoke, talking about a product he hasn't put the time in on. I have g3 skins that have worked great - and their tip\tail connector is better er.

[EEC]

Stfu rog

Wow, another thread where Rawj shares his myopia stoke, talking about a product he hasn't put the time in on. I have g3 skins that have worked great - and their tip\tail connector is better er.

Yea I don't do a enough/big enough days touring to notice the effects of good/poor glide on skins but I've used bd and g3 skins both a good amount and prefer g3 for this reason.

As far as the op's issue I have the same problem on a used pair of bd skins, going to try ironing w/ parchment paper