Extinct Skis and Gear

[gregL]

Outwear/technical gear that isn't made out of recycled shit.

Outerwear with 6-chain DWR, just for myself . . . the new environmentally friendly stuff is simply not as good, but it's all you can buy now.

[burrito]

Look's second-gen Pivot heel

They had a few different names between the Look and Rossi variants, but they came along when Look changed the original/current Pivot to the "FKS" and designated it as their top-tier metal race binding. The second-gens were cheaper, lighter, less finicky, and more adjustable than the original/current Pivots while retaining most of their heel elasticity. Look ditched them with the PX series in an effort to improve forward pressure, ultimately admitting their mistake and re-releasing the original Pivot. The second-gen Pivots were the go-to for a lot of friends in our early days of park skiing. They weren't quite as burly as the original, but I have a soft spot for 'em.

Rossi variant

[Mustonen]

Look's second-gen Pivot heel

They had a few different names between the Look and Rossi variants, but they came along when Look changed the original/current Pivot to the "FKS" and designated it as their top-tier metal race binding. The second-gens were cheaper, lighter, less finicky, and more adjustable than the original/current Pivots while retaining most of their heel elasticity. Look ditched them with the PX series in an effort to improve forward pressure, ultimately admitting their mistake and re-releasing the original Pivot. The second-gen Pivots were the go-to for a lot of friends in our early days of park skiing. They weren't quite as burly as the original, but I have a soft spot for 'em.

Rossi variant
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I broke every pair I ever had. And I almost never break shit.

[burrito]

I broke every pair I ever had. And I almost never break shit.

I broke every pair of PXs I had, too. I think that's mostly what makes me wistful for the Pivots.

[Mustonen]

I broke every pair of PXs I had, too. I think that's mostly what makes me wistful for the Pivots.

Fair. I never skied a pair long enough to put any wear on them. PX is what made me switch to OG pivots/fks, actually. They lost the ski feel and elasticity that is the point of that binding design. PX is a big clunky, thunky binding, and Salomon does that a lot better.

[ZomblibulaX]

Just came here to say that the Gotama never had metal...ever. And from a shape perspective, it was 1-cm wider Explosiv, with a big twin and NO metal...more balanced flex, too. I actually think the Gotama was a better all around ski than the Explosiv, but the Explosiv was an amazing crud ski.

These lists are fun for nostalgia purposes, but I don’t miss all the old stuff. Most new designs really are better.

I would say correct me if I’m wrong, but you already did...

I could’ve sworn the first year Gotama (all black, gotama emblem a la maroon explosiv) had a band of metal just like the karmas?

Agree it’s just nostalgia-wanking, but it’s fun. I guess if you really want to talk equipment they just do not make anymore, it’s super bros, 194 mx98, 194 OG LP, 193 im103, 193 Titan Pro, etc. Those death wish, stiff, straight, damn-the-torpedoes skis are legitimately extinct.

[Djongo Unchained]

Fine.

Send me all of your OG LPR's.
Yesterday.

[old goat]

None of this extinct gear was actually that great. YOU were younger, thinner, stronger and had bigger balls. Especially the guys.

There's no way I'd be skiing at 70 on the gear I learned on, or the gear I had at 50 for that matter. New skis are like new legs.

[goldenboy]

I've skied a lot of new skis. I would legitimately like to find a modern ski that does what my ancient skis do. 183 Rossi Axioms- heavy, straight, and damp. Tell them to carve, they carve. Pressure the tail just a touch, they slarve. Still haven't found a ski that does that. Metal Bodacious is close, plus a little fatter, but that's about it. Even old school Monsters and XXL's didn't really hold a candle.

[XXX-er]

There's no way I'd be skiing at 70 on the gear I learned on, or the gear I had at 50 for that matter. New skis are like new legs.

I was gona say like viagra

[burrito]

On particularly epic days I still rock a full corduroy onepiece from Orage that I bought 14 years ago off someone on the Newschoolers forums. It is not only my all-time favorite piece of ski gear - it is my favorite thing I have ever owned. Period. I refer to it as the teddy bear suit and it's amazing.



PS if anyone knows what this thing was actually called, I'd appreciate a heads up. My only clue is that the tag says "Orage Gallery" and there were normal jacket/pant versions made that year with the same DWR corduroy. As I remember it Orage only produced a few of the full suits back in 2006-ish, and many internet searches over the years to find a proper name/picture have come up empty.

[glademaster]

I had the the same suit in waterproof/breathable denim. It was so baggy I couldn't ski in it. Even though it was a Medium, the crotch sat near the top of my shins when I was wearing it. You must have a 40 inch inseam. Also, the corduroy is way cooler than the denim.

[burrito]

I had the the same suit in waterproof/breathable denim. It was so baggy I couldn't ski in it. Even though it was a Medium, the crotch sat near the top of my shins when I was wearing it. You must have a 40 inch inseam. Also, the corduroy is way cooler than the denim.

Haha. It definitely took some time to figure out the proper suspender length to get it to wear comfortably.

[ill-advised strategy]

On particularly epic days I still rock a full corduroy onepiece from Orage that I bought 14 years ago off someone on the Newschoolers forums. It is not only my all-time favorite piece of ski gear - it is my favorite thing I have ever owned. Period. I refer to it as the teddy bear suit and it's amazing.



PS if anyone knows what this thing was actually called, I'd appreciate a heads up. My only clue is that the tag says "Orage Gallery" and there were normal jacket/pant versions made that year with the same DWR corduroy. As I remember it Orage only produced a few of the full suits back in 2006-ish, and many internet searches over the years to find a proper name/picture have come up empty.

This ^^ post is why I read this forum!

[singlecross]

Childhood buddy of mine had a CB corduroy puffy coat back in the day... OG steeze from the Toughskins era.

[Djongo Unchained]

Sears Toughskins
My first favorite piece of clothing. My blue toughskin pants.
I'd ask Mom to wash them every thursday, because they were my 'Friday' pant, for school. 2nd grade, Albany GA, 1971

Methinks them's pretty dang extinct.

[El Chupacabra]

I have some North Face ski pants from mid/late 2000s that are brown corduroy.

I like wearing them on storm days because they cake up with ice and snow, but stay dry inside. Gets good reactions from people on the lift.

[ski-wpk]

They were? Posted some of the Sollys months ago but got no takers.

There’s a chance some of the K2s ended up in storage in central Jersey. : )

I’m not crazy. Posted all the K2s and Sollys here two years ago, no takers.

https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...d.php?t=324750

[Soups]

In a seperate WTB thread!?! Weak sauce!!!

[OldMil]

Honestly. Bluehouse anything. Mavens, maestro, precinct, and shoots. Maybe not the prettiest, but definitely the most underrated, dollar per fun, skis ever.

Still have my Mavens, they won't die and hope they don't.

My current active quiver is all Bluehouse- Maestros, Mavens, Shoots. I still have backup pairs of Maestros and Shoots and a pair of Precincts still in plastic in my ski rack. I just sold a pair of the 1st gen Precincts a couple of weeks ago as I new I would never mount them. I wish I had picked up a backup pair of Mavens but my current pair is still pretty minty as they only come out a couple time a year. Almost all of those skis were less than $300 off season. Wish Bluehouse was still around as they made great skis and were such a good value.

[tuco]

My current active quiver is all Bluehouse- Maestros, Mavens, Shoots. I still have backup pairs of Maestros and Shoots and a pair of Precincts still in plastic in my ski rack. I just sold a pair of the 1st gen Precincts a couple of weeks ago as I new I would never mount them. I wish I had picked up a backup pair of Mavens but my current pair is still pretty minty as they only come out a couple time a year. Almost all of those skis were less than $300 off season. Wish Bluehouse was still around as they made great skis and were such a good value.

Gold Maven is a timeless gem. Still ski them quite a bit. FaF on anything soft, including corn-mank

[altacoup]

I've skied a lot of new skis. I would legitimately like to find a modern ski that does what my ancient skis do. 183 Rossi Axioms- heavy, straight, and damp. Tell them to carve, they carve. Pressure the tail just a touch, they slarve. Still haven't found a ski that does that. Metal Bodacious is close, plus a little fatter, but that's about it. Even old school Monsters and XXL's didn't really hold a candle.

Another extinct ski is the replacement. 4frnt EHP, similar feel but with a progressive mount. Some rumors that 4frnt might bring it back

[waxman]

Look's second-gen Pivot heel

They had a few different names between the Look and Rossi variants, but they came along when Look changed the original/current Pivot to the "FKS" and designated it as their top-tier metal race binding. The second-gens were cheaper, lighter, less finicky, and more adjustable than the original/current Pivots while retaining most of their heel elasticity. Look ditched them with the PX series in an effort to improve forward pressure, ultimately admitting their mistake and re-releasing the original Pivot. The second-gen Pivots were the go-to for a lot of friends in our early days of park skiing. They weren't quite as burly as the original, but I have a soft spot for 'em.

Rossi variant

I was working for the R group at the time of that abominations introduction. Stocking up on "real" Pivots and FKS became the company wide sport. The retail version was a travesty and the demo version was even worse. The SPX was a welcome change and the reintroduction of real pivots even more so.
I got in trouble at a sales meeting for showing up with skis mounted with real pivots during this time.

[m2711c]

I've skied a lot of new skis. I would legitimately like to find a modern ski that does what my ancient skis do. 183 Rossi Axioms- heavy, straight, and damp. Tell them to carve, they carve. Pressure the tail just a touch, they slarve. Still haven't found a ski that does that. Metal Bodacious is close, plus a little fatter, but that's about it. Even old school Monsters and XXL's didn't really hold a candle.

i know, right? hard to believe these things are still in high in my rotation after 25 + years....




still work just fine though.

[garyfromterrace]

he was spansered and that ^^is the sx90, the 91 was red & white, the 92 was black/yellow/orange

I didn't realize Girardelli was skiing in the 91's. I was at Lake Louise in 83 when he crashed in double trouble and he finally stopped sliding at my feet. I think he was one of the favorites at that race as he had won the previous WC DH race.

I skied the 91's for years but do remember them being fairly flexy (though comfie as fuck). I'm thinking the pros wearing them beefed them up some, but maybe not. When I was a speed skiing hack I remember some of the top guys (the 200km + boys) liked em because more forward flex could get you closer to egg shape in your tuck. They were also pretty aerodynamic.