Head Wall Slid in Jackson

[183GotamasA/T]

Yeah... stop crapping up the Jackson threads!! Can't you read this is a local's only thread!!!

Go back to Hunter or Les Houches, or wherever lame it is you come from. If you don't live in Jackson, don't post here... You know nothing. Better yet, if you're not a local, don't even think of skiing Jackson. Go to some other 2 bit mountain and bring your Lego's, your Jenga and your Hungry Hungry Hippos... yeah, that told you.

...oh wait... damnit... where'd those annoying tourists with the cash go???

I think this may be the guy that started my impression of the locals around Jackson.

Anyways, I've moved to the padded room so you can get a piece of me there.

[Tye 1on]

Keep us updated Suit. I'm sitting in my office in town and can hear the bombs going off every 5 minutes or so.

Anyone know anything about the pass bombing this morning. Did they get anything to move? The pass is still closed as of 15 min. ago.

Checking out the webcam at the Village base, looks like the gondi isn't even fixin to open, nobody in line, no corral set up even.
Checking out the webcam from the Pass, looks like it was windy as hell at 130am when it quit working!

[U.P.Ripper]

Checking out the webcam from the Pass, looks like it was windy as hell at 130am when it quit working!

Quit working or was taken offline so nobody could watch the control work. They kept it live last year when the had the howitzer bolted down to the road blasting Twin Slides.

[kush1]

I think this may be the guy that started my impression of the locals around Jackson.

Anyways, I've moved to the padded room so you can get a piece of me there.

Ummm that douche doesn't live here, ya douche

[Cyber Cop]

I saw pictures in an avalanche safety text of a town in Norway that historically was periodically swept away by enormous avalanches. Now, modern times, they have constructed a massive berm (sp?) that runs a diagonal across the track, actually deflecting the path of the slide away from the village. seems like one alternative to living with a sketchy decision on gondola station location.

I don't know Jackson, but was the old gondola not in avy danger of some kind. Did they have other options on where to put the building that were way better? Surely they had a good reason to put it there??? Everyone acts like this is a monumental failure, but the building survived, they mitigated the danger above without death in what everyone says is a scary snow pack. They protected the lift, big kuddos. You can't control every acre. I'm glad they don't try. Commonsense should trump a rope. Ropes suck.

[ActionJackson]

The worse the local economy, the more affordable JH becomes. I'm ok with that.
Right now as it is, either you're a local or a rich tourist, nobody in-between.

I'd like to see the whole area's economy crumble! Just my opinion.

Take that.

What a dick. You want to see a community crumble? What a loser or probably a trust fund fag.

[The Suit]

Keep us updated Suit. I'm sitting in my office in town and can hear the bombs going off every 5 minutes or so.

Anyone know anything about the pass bombing this morning. Did they get anything to move? The pass is still closed as of 15 min. ago.

Looks like they're done with Headwall and moving on to Cirque. They sled bombed the crap out of it and got some results, but nothing stepped down.

Looking to the south I can't see much natural activity. Doesn't mean it's not there.

[teledave]

I don't know Jackson, but was the old gondola not in avy danger of some kind.

If I'm not mistaken, there was no old gondola. At least I'm pretty sure there wasn't one when I was first out there in '88.

[Lawless]

So, Glory went large, and there's approx. 60 ft. of snow on the road about 70 yards wide. If you need to get over the pass, "Don't frown, drive around". It's going to be late tonight or tomorrow morning before it all gets cleared.

[sftc]

I don't know Jackson, but was the old gondola not in avy danger of some kind. Did they have other options on where to put the building that were way better? Surely they had a good reason to put it there??? Everyone acts like this is a monumental failure, but the building survived, they mitigated the danger above without death in what everyone says is a scary snow pack. They protected the lift, big kuddos. You can't control every acre. I'm glad they don't try. Commonsense should trump a rope. Ropes suck.

I was thinking the same thing. Just pure speculation here, but that's a fairly beafy building, maybe they put it there, with the gondola on the other side, to protect the upper terminal of the gondola. It sucks that the avy hit the building, but it could have been really ugly if that slide came down and took out the top of the gondola during the morning ski patrol and staff uploading. Just remember,

I would guess that they did some major risk assessment before they build that place and put in the new gondola and maybe they figured that set up was the best solution to a tough problem. I know that slide path has ripped big before, but with modern avy control is that considered to be is a 1 in 10 year event? 1 in 100 year?

Regardless, it's a blessing that no one was injured or killed. The Jackson Hole Ski Patrol is one of the best in the country and I hope they keep up the good work. This one incident will not stop me from skiing Jackson whenever I get a chance.

[jhjpot]

So, Glory went large, and there's approx. 60 ft. of snow on the road about 70 yards wide. If you need to get over the pass, "Don't frown, drive around". It's going to be late tonight or tomorrow morning before it all gets cleared.

DAYUMMMM!!!!

[My Pet Powder Goat]

if anyone could post up some 'overall' pics of the mtn and where/what the slides look like, exp the headwall slide, I would appreciate it.

[kush1]

So, Glory went large, and there's approx. 60 ft. of snow on the road about 70 yards wide. If you need to get over the pass, "Don't frown, drive around". It's going to be late tonight or tomorrow morning before it all gets cleared.

Yeah just heard on the radio from the dude that was chucking bombs. "Don't even bother waiting it out to get over the pass, we are trying to get a few bulldozers up here to get it cleared".

Ripped right under the cliff skiers right, must be a big crown since I saw it from the red light by Albertsons.

[Little Big Lost]

Jackson to Victor = 22 miles...
Jackson to Victor via Alpine = 84 miles...

That has gotta suck....

[ImSearchingforPowder]

looks like they took the webcams out on Teton Pass

[Lawless]

looks like they took the webcams out on Teton Pass

Nobody took it out, they just go down from time to time because of weather and needs to be reset. The storm last night knocked them out around 1:30 or so, and there are other concerns right now other than getting the webcam back online.

[The AD]

Checking out the webcam at the Village base, looks like the gondi isn't even fixin to open, nobody in line, no corral set up even.

Right now there's a line forming at the gondi. Maybe they will be opening it soon?

[jhjpot]

if anyone could post up some 'overall' pics of the mtn and where/what the slides look like, exp the headwall slide, I would appreciate it.

jhunderground.com now has some aerial pics of the headwall slide.
http://www.jhunderground.com/2008/12...uth/#more-1809

[U.P.Ripper]

Gondi is running.

[babybear]

wow- good aerial shots. hard to see the fractures but it's interesting to see just how the headwall does funnel snow right onto couloir.

[Little Big Lost]

[alias]

Do I see a pretty big crown above the expert chutes in little bigs pic?

[batosai the manslayer]

the ski area knew better, it is fortunate that lives weren't lost because of the nearsighted placement of that structure.

This is essentially true. when you look at the type of structures built at places like Snowbird, etc. And the reflect on the first time YOU saw the headwall.... it's a convex roll—everything you know about avy danger should tell you that this thing will slide.

[Shorty_J]

It might be worth noting here that in this case and the accident in Fernie that killed 8 snowmobilers, it was the 2nd slide that had the most impact.

[truth]

Because individuals in the bc are the not only ones to get caught in heuristic traps.

heuristic

Function: adjective
Etymology: German heuristisch, from New Latin heuristicus, from Greek heuriskein to discover; akin to Old Irish fo-fúair he found
Date: 1821

: involving or serving as an aid to learning, discovery, or problem-solving by experimental and especially trial-and-error methods <heuristic techniques> <a heuristic assumption> ; also : of or relating to exploratory problem-solving techniques that utilize self-educating techniques (as the evaluation of feedback) to improve performance <a heuristic computer program>