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    I still find it curious that they never improved their 11 speed cassette offerings. Unless the world thinks 11 speed is dead.
    However many are in a shit ton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jm2e View Post
    I still find it curious that they never improved their 11 speed cassette offerings. Unless the world thinks 11 speed is dead.
    They did have an XTR 9100 11 speed 10-45 micro spline cassette in the works, but they canceled it. It had 12 speed spacing and worked with the new 9100 12 speed shifter and derailleur and chain.
    Not sure what the purpose of this product was, it never really made sense to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jm2e View Post
    I still find it curious that they never improved their 11 speed cassette offerings. Unless the world thinks 11 speed is dead.
    yeah, I've got 3 year old xt 11spd on my hardtail and aside from the cassette being pretty average weight wise, as a package it's performed exceptionally, just a new chain once a year.

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    I have a 2 word answer to the original question:
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    However many are in a shit ton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jm2e View Post
    I have a 2 word answer to the original question:
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    But they have them for 11 and 12sp now. It took a while, for sure, but that would suggest a move in the right direction?


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    I run Shimano shifter and rear mech, but prefer SRAM cassettes (last much longer).

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    Shimano releases a wireless mtb drivetrain only 5 years after Sram. But it doesn't have a clutch and loses the downshift trigger ergonomic feature. Credit for making backwards compatible though.

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    I like that the new XTR has a medium cage 9-45 cassette option. I also like that their shifter is normal shaped. I don't particularly like any of sram's e-shifters.

    Other than that, it's not particularly light, it's very expensive, and yeah, no clutch seems dumb.

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    "Heavy/strong/cheap, pick two"

    Wait, wut?

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    Apparently the pros and their advisors are avoiding it if they arent required to run it. Have not yet heard why.

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    IME with an e-bike motor Shimano are fucked


    My take on the Shimano vs SRAM thing : in 2004 i went to interbike SRAM was not so popular as shimano but if you attended their morning seminar they told you to pickup your free chain from the SRAM booth they had hot girls in red wigs red hotpants giving temp tatoos they had a very good a good bartender making free drinks at the Truvativ booth I won a roxshox Reba which I sold to pay for the entire trip

    Shimano was telling eveyone rapid-rise which had not worked the first time was gona be re-introduced in 2005 a whole bunch of demo bikes had rapid rise so you ride one at the demo day and think it was fucked


    A whole bunc of bikes came spec'd with SRAM in 2005 SRAM they had bought Tuvativ and roxshox,


    rapid rise flopped again I don't think shimano has ever recovered
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    I have my first bike with Transmission and I am not impressed. Seems cool but really not great to live with. I have had it for a few months and I have noticed I have taken a few impacts on rocks that I think are because of just how large the system is. It is heavy. I have had two rides where it stopped working with a fully charged battery. I cleaned the contacts and that fixed it but that should not happen. Slow shifting bothers me. XTR actually solves most of my qualms. 9-45 is really cool and lighter. Shifter ergonmics sound less terrible than transmission. Much smaller RD when using 9-45. Faster Shifting Transmisison is an e bike product. It is not good for all other bikes.

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    No clutch, though. Pinkbike review did not dance around the issue, the chainslap is pretty bad, albeit less bad with the 9-45.

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    I read the pinkbike review and a few others.

    Pinkbike was the only one that had the chain slap issue. I think it is more that they did a different solution for chainslap. A few paces I read commented that the spring system seemed to work well and I believe the radavist said in the comments section they didn't have any of the chainslap issues other places reported.

    Time will tell though. Shimano clutches were one of the worst parts of the last gen. That and the XT cages that bent if you looked at them.

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    PB has such a hudge erection for SRAM, it was never going to be objective.


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    However many are in a shit ton.

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    9-45 with a 40 tooth chainring sounds pretty freaking good for gravel
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    Quote Originally Posted by buttahflake View Post
    9-45 with a 40 tooth chainring sounds pretty freaking good for gravel
    Sounds like luxury!

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    OR a 46 tooth arrow chainring on a DuraAce crank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jm2e View Post
    PB has such a hudge erection for SRAM, it was never going to be objective.


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    Or just electric shit.
    No longer stuck.

    Quote Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn View Post
    Just an uneducated guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tailwind View Post
    I read the pinkbike review and a few others.

    Pinkbike was the only one that had the chain slap issue. I think it is more that they did a different solution for chainslap. A few paces I read commented that the spring system seemed to work well and I believe the radavist said in the comments section they didn't have any of the chainslap issues other places reported.

    Time will tell though. Shimano clutches were one of the worst parts of the last gen. That and the XT cages that bent if you looked at them.
    Excuse me, what?
    My XT 12 speed shifter, derailleur, chain, and cassette have been great. XT still seems like the best price to performance ratio. By far. And I don't want a bicycle I have to charge.
    (Ok, I haven't been paying attention to drivetrain pricing)
    No longer stuck.

    Quote Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn View Post
    Just an uneducated guess.

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    I have XT on a few bikes. It is the current best group if you care about price at all. SLX is right there too. BUT - one mild twisting impact on the cage and it never shifts right again. They get slightly twisted and no amount of tinking or limit screws fixes it. Similar to a bent hanger but the cages are really hard to fix as they are supposed to be slightly bent. There was a long time where it was really hard to find the cages as a stand alone part. I started just buying $50 SLX rds on closeout. XTR does much better as it is a carbon cage (12 speed mechanical).
    Quote Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn View Post
    Excuse me, what? My XT 12 speed shifter, derailleur, chain, and cassette have been great. XT still seems like the best price to performance ratio. By far. And I don't want a bicycle I have to charge. (Ok, I haven't been paying attention to drivetrain pricing)

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    XT derailleurs are made out of congealed peanut butter. I've never gotten more than a month or two out of one.

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    I had a new Trek Slash XT that the derailer broke within two weeks.
    The Tech, not the owner, told me I sucked up a stick and broke it, not covered. They didn't have a replacement.
    I told them to take it off and send it in and they could keep the replacement, because I'm not ever coming back.

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    I haven’t had a non-sram MTB in years, but I’ve also not had a non-Shimano road bike ever. No way I would ride SRAM on the road, just not gonna happen.
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    I jumped in my truck phone falls out of hoody on the drive way and I run over it leaving big tire print screen has some chips but it actualy looks ok & still works girl at phone store sez wow I can't believe you ran over that and it works

    Everyone has an anecdote but really there is no way to guess if a der is going to break cuz nobody hits them the same way and nobody tests ders to see how much force is needed before they break if somethink breaks YOU broke it and btw you are gona buy another one which seems like a sucessful product to me

    What is more telling is if you walk around bike store show rooms what do you see spec'd which brand is selling more parts in all bike categories from the entry level hardtail you dont care about to the top end bikes to the Eebs and why ?


    it could be price point of a so-so part but buy thousands to spec an entry level bike or at a mid price point is how $ is made and I have seen Shimano snatch defeat from the jaws of victory
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