Intuition liners

[halliday]

You are correct it is not a race liner like we know race liners to be.

[hick]

It really seemed like intuition was going to make these liners but it just continues to not happen after each conversation. Oh well. As someone who hates using intuitions because of lack of heel hold, tendency to reduce toe room, and lack of consistent fit due to heat and packing, I really think these liners would fill a huge void for them. We’ve stopped carrying Intuition since Zipfit became available to us. Just putting this out to the world to see if it will show up somewhere. I was never looking for anything besides Intuition to sell a liner I might like, and like to sell. Attachment 501138
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I’d buy this mythical liner in a heartbeat.


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[DoubleBogey]

When Zipfit comes out with the cork-foam combo liners all problems will be solved.

[GoldenBC]

When Zipfit comes out with the cork-foam combo liners all problems will be solved.

Out of curiosity, why do you want foam added to a Zipfit?

[zion zig zag]

Out of curiosity, why do you want foam added to a Zipfit?

Warmth and weight?

[PB]

You are correct it is not a race liner like we know race liners to be.

RLY

I mean, I free heel in them for crimminy's sake.

[GoldenBC]

Warmth and weight?

Fair. Will be curious to see how that plays out overall.

[DoubleBogey]

Out of curiosity, why do you want foam added to a Zipfit?

I honestly don’t have any issues with the current Zipfits but I feel that the people that have issues with Zips would get along with that combo. Problems usually stem from warmth (as mentioned) and world cupping into the shell. I don’t know if cork/foam combo solves those but I am curious.

[GoldenBC]

I honestly don’t have any issues with the current Zipfits but I feel that the people that have issues with Zips would get along with that combo. Problems usually stem from warmth (as mentioned) and world cupping into the shell. I don’t know if cork/foam combo solves those but I am curious.

My two cents. If you care about ski performance in anyway, it is never worth it to go intuition.

As for touring performance… as a guy with low volume ankle, intuitions get sloppy when you tour and that leads to blisters.

As for warmth, I’ve had feet freeze in zips as much as I have had in intuitions. Granted my boots are all snug. Old zips without wool were cold af. New zips with wool, and with the superior fit and blood flow, are surprisingly warm. As warm as an intuition in a big shell? No.

A lot of world cupping issues can be solved with better technique and a show horn. From what I’ve seen of the new zip, stepping in could be easier. The fabric is slippery-er and because of its use of foam, I would assume less aggressive ankle hold and therefore easier to step into. Keep in mind it still has laces.

[mr_pretzel]

I have exclusively used zip fits for the last 7 seasons, last season after some issues with my lateral malleolus in the touring boots I was using I gave intuition tour wraps a try in both ZGPTs and the Ridge pro.

I don't really feel the loss in ski performance was as significant as I was expecting due to the shells themselves being somewhat limiting compared to my regular Lange ZBs(lots of boot work in these, my foot isn't that narrow). This could be due to the fact that I am used to a very snug toe box in the ZBs and I've always felt that the neoprene toe box of the zipfits doesn't work as well in touring boots since there is usually much more height and space and they are generally less smooth than a plug. The intuitions are also more forgiving when your foot feels beat up and the snow is rough.

IMO the intuitions are warmer, especially for standing around. But if you're on the move all day the zipfits are plenty warm for almost all conditions.

I'm very biased towards the zipfit and wish I could get the GFT to work better for me, especially in the toeboxes of touring boots, but the intuitions aren't as bad as feared. I'll never use a non zipfit in a inbounds boot again though

[Cocximus]

What happened to the yearly group buy?

[grinch]

What happened to the yearly group buy?

If i remember, i think intuition was no longer interested. $ are tighter in the sports industry now though. I don't think i remember them having as many sales as they have this summer. They might be more receptive this year

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[PeachesNCream]

Can someone check my math?

I have to travel for most of my skiing so my boot is an atomic hawx xtd 130. I’m 6’3, 205 lbs. Been thinking about grabbing an initiation liner for 2 main reasons. 1. Beef up the stiffness of the boots 2. Remove/reduce the gap in front of my shin.

Thinking a wrap style to help with problem #2. I wear a size 12 shoe, relatively skinny feet, high arch, mid to small lower calf. Boot size is a 29.5. I took the quiz on their website and it said downhill wrap. But how much of a difference is it from the power wrap? At less than half the price, I’d much rather go this route. Also, how well does the at home kit work? I don’t have access to a good boot fitter


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[volklpowdermaniac]

the k2/full tilt liners pro wraps are becoming increasingly unobtanium in 26s. From what i read the k2/ft power wrap is closest to the DD not the HD power wrap but is it 12mm or 15mm from the factory? one of the reasons i love the factory k2/ft power wrap is the "cushiness" so trying to replicate that with a new intuition one

[DoubleBogey]

Can someone check my math?

I have to travel for most of my skiing so my boot is an atomic hawx xtd 130. I’m 6’3, 205 lbs. Been thinking about grabbing an initiation liner for 2 main reasons. 1. Beef up the stiffness of the boots 2. Remove/reduce the gap in front of my shin.

Thinking a wrap style to help with problem #2. I wear a size 12 shoe, relatively skinny feet, high arch, mid to small lower calf. Boot size is a 29.5. I took the quiz on their website and it said downhill wrap. But how much of a difference is it from the power wrap? At less than half the price, I’d much rather go this route. Also, how well does the at home kit work? I don’t have access to a good boot fitter


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What did you end up going with? I have a brand new K2 tour wrap in 29.5 if you're interested

[PeachesNCream]

What did you end up going with? I have a brand new K2 tour wrap in 29.5 if you're interested

Didn’t end up doing anything. Undecided if the liner would be enough or if I should just do alpine boots. I would need the alpine wrap if I was going to go that route tho. Glws


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[wilcox510]

Who's using the current style tour wrap liners? How much do you think they restrict the rearward range of motion compared to tour tongue liners? The tour cutout is huge now so guessing that helps quite a bit, but probably still limit ROM a little more??

[hoarhey]

I am using MV tour wraps in my Ridge pros

Wild guess 10-20% reduction

Tried the stock tongue liner for 3-4 outings but had too much wiggle room around ankle


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[markcjr]

Going to put in 28.5 Lange rs 130
Size up to 29 or stay at 28?

Currently using old style 29 luxury liner, MV, but I hate when the tongue gets stuck in the instep overlap plastic when I remove my foot, and I would also like to take up a little more volume. I could just go to the DH HD 15 mm tongue liner, but thought the wrap would alleviate instep pressure and tounge getting stuck.

Intuition used to tell you to size upper down on their older style liners, but there is nothing on their website about how to size the new liners.

[hoarhey]

Maybe call them or write a message?

The wrap
Should take up
Sufficient room
At same size as shell

What is your shell fit like?


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[markcjr]

A hair less than a sharpie
I think you are right, I don’t think I can fit a size up in there, especially if I’m getting the 15mm hv version already.

[SnowMachine]

I think Intuition advice is to size up. I just ordered a 27 Downhill Wrap for my 26.5 boot.

[DoubleBogey]

Your sizing is a little different than mine, but I tried a full size bigger tour wrap in my 29.5 Cochise and it did not work (I did not heat mold). My toes were crunched, so I went with the 29.5 and it was much better. This is not advice per se, just my experience.

[hoarhey]

Heat molding is critical, I think, especially if you are trying to take up volume



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[DoubleBogey]

Yeah, taking up space was my initial intention, but it turned out I didnt have. My shell is 29.5 and I have what I would call skinny legs and a high calf. I have Gara HV Zips for resort and the Intuition for touring. I bought 15mm in 29.5 and 30.5. I opened the 30.5 and didnt open 29.5 because I was going to sell them after the return window if 30.5 worked. I didnt heat mold them because if 30.5 didnt work I would sell them and open the 29.5. Its convoluted but that was my approach. Once I axed the 30.5 I opened the 29.5 and they fit better, so now I have 30.5 that were never heat molded sitting in my closet.