Running, Anyone...?

[The SnowShow]

What kinda snow you contemplating running in? Deep snow? Hardpack? A few inches of freshies? Now, look at pictures of the outsole and figure it out.

Not deep snow - hardpack and a few inches.

In terms of the outsole, it looks the same as the Salomon Snowcross.

[thefortrees]

Learning to love the indoor bike trainer / treadmill combo...

Good on ya man. I’d rather stab myself in the eye with a fork.

[2bjenny]

Does anyone have experience with Salomon Speedcross trail runners in the snow? Do they have good traction?

I’ve had good luck with them in a few inches and on hard pack. If it’s a little icy, I’ll use nanospikes with them.

[Dantheman]

Good on ya man. I’d rather stab myself in the eye with a fork.

Truth.

[carpathian]

^^ha, I've got a system that helps with boredom. I just do 10 hard minutes on each and go back and forth for and hour or 2. Going online with Zwift soon, should be a game changer.

It rained 2 inch today @40deg. Running inside don't seem so bad! Get some tunes and a fan going , voila a la pain cave

I heard the speed cross had a wide version , I should check them out, I like them otherwise. Yeah they pretty good on snow.

[Dantheman]

Alternating is a good strategy and a fan definitely helps a lot. Ever read any of Katy Bowman's books? She's a biomechanist that is seriously not down with treadmills. Worth reading.

[babybear]

Does anyone have experience with Salomon Speedcross trail runners in the snow? Do they have good traction?

that's my go to shoe and yes they are good in the snow and the tread sheds the snow well. it's sweet that they have the goretex version for winter too
if where I'm running of more icy vs snowy I'll still use yaktrax though

I also picked up these gaters and have used them a bunch. they stay on pretty well
https://www.rei.com/product/128884/s...il-gaiters-low

[carpathian]

Alternating is a good strategy and a fan definitely helps a lot. Ever read any of Katy Bowman's books? She's a biomechanist that is seriously not down with treadmills. Worth reading.

This last month is first time I've ever really used a treadmill. Definety takes some getting used to. As obvious as it may appear, it is kind of cool to set a pace and have to keep up with it.

I like setting pitch to about 8% then go 6-8 mph.

And key to my sanity is switching back and forth on 10-15 min interval. Time actually goes pretty quick.

I'm curious what that book has to say...
Can you clif note it for me?

The real question is if I run with wing suit on, how fast until takeoff??!

[babybear]

The real question is if I run with wing suit on, how fast until takeoff??!

TR pls

[I've seen black diamonds!]

Alternating is a good strategy and a fan definitely helps a lot. Ever read any of Katy Bowman's books? She's a biomechanist that is seriously not down with treadmills. Worth reading.

Interesting. Treadmills make my feet hurt. Does she know why?

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[Dantheman]

Interesting. Treadmills make my feet hurt. Does she know why?

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She discusses it some a ways into this blog post.

https://www.nutritiousmovement.com/junk-food-walking/

[carpathian]

She discusses it some a ways into this blog post.

https://www.nutritiousmovement.com/junk-food-walking/

Interesting read , I've heard about how you will end up lacking lateral stabilizing muscles by just pounding treadmill or bike trainer.

Her whole premise seemed based on people doing nothing at desk all day then trying to make up for it with 'junk food exercise' and in that context she is probably right.

Personally I have no shortage of daily movement working in construction for 10 years now. And there is something to be said for pacing on an incline then get out in real world and feel like you are 'falling forward ' on the flats.

No magic bullet, do all in moderation to keep it interesting I figure.

[AKPogue]

Well it didn't hurt this lady to run on a treadmill!
https://www.runnersworld.com/advance...broke-through/

[The SnowShow]

I’ve not been into running for most of my life; now suddenly my 6 year old is good at it and I’m eager to go on weekly runs with her. It’s changed my whole outlook!

[carpathian]

Well it didn't hurt this lady to run on a treadmill!
https://www.runnersworld.com/advance...broke-through/

The coach in that link John Clark aka JC was my high school running and x-country ski coach!

I've heard he quite running and just road bike races now... If its the same guy

[hutash]

Hope everybody gets in a good run today to preburn some Thanksgiving calories.

Not too bad a place to run this morning. A bit slow, but I havent been out much of late.


One of a palm tree for those of you facing snow or subfreezing temps.


Happy Thanksgiving

[wendigo]

Just did our annual south mountain 10 miler in Phoenix.
Good temp, more crowded than usual, and greener!
Happy thanksgiving!

[stapes]

Yep trying to earn that turkey. Great run early this am.

[Groomer Gambler]

Looking for some new shoe opinions...

I've always had wide feet (Roman?) and this past year have developed a minor tailor's bunion on my left foot. For the most part I don't notice it but every few months it gets really aggravated i.e. mainly ski boots and my winter rain boots or dress shoes. As such, I've slowly started to get rid of my more narrow sneakers.

The foot doctor put me in some custom orthotics (surprisingly covered by insurance) which seem to help mostly in my cycling shoes and hiking boots. However, the main problem I find with the orthotics is that they are somewhat heavy and stiff. Such that more modern light mesh type running shoes (like Asics or Nike free) I find the orthotics seem to way nearly as much as the shoe.

So, my question is two parts and I have a little cash to invest in better footwear... first, my current trail running shoes are on their last limb (Salomon XR missions from ~2-3yrs ago which I find have a pretty wide and comfy forefoot). I tried a new pair of Salomon sense shoes and their updated X mission 3s and the last is now way too narrow. These days, with my width issue Nike and Adidas trail running shoes are a no go. Any suggestions? Should I focus more on the shoe and get over not using the orthotics in running shoes? Most of my runs are local trails in the PNW 5-7mile range but I'd like to push it a little harder this year for some 10+ mile runs + elevation.

And second, along with that, I also want a pair of more causal sneakers with a wide toe box. I have yet to try Altras, etc. I'm limited with local stores to try on. I've found with wide 2E or 4E shoes they typically make the whole shoe wide when really my heel and mid foot is fairly normal. Hence why these newer wide toe box shoes are appealing, although I've yet to find any locally. Current sneakers are regular Asics that I wear around the office and town.

And to be picky, a lot of the wide toe sneakers like Altra, Lems, xero, etc. look really bad. Like I'm not sure how a company can make shoes that are so ugly with terrible logos or awful color schemes. All I want is a simple canvas looking black and white shoe with an athletic fit that I can also wear to the office. Any suggestions here would be much obliged.

Thanks!

[2bjenny]

Salomon was making the speedcross in a wide version. I have a small tailor’s bunion that the reg speedcross can aggravate, especially during ski season since it’s already a little irritated from my ski boots.

Last spring I switched from the reg speedcross to the wide version and it made a huge difference. I did have to size down half a size. Not sure if it would be the same in the men’s version.

[Buke]

A question for the experienced runners. What do you do to combat those sluggish runs?

Running is new to me. I've been very slowly and consistently working in to it over the last 6 months or so. I'm shooting to run a pretty tough half marathon trail run in May. I ran my "long run" on Sunday morning. Followed it up with a short run Monday night that felt surprisingly good. Then I took a couple rest days and last night set out to run another short run. Everything just felt off. Sometimes it starts like that and by the time I'm a mile or so in things click but last night it just felt like my muscles just weren't firing and it never really got better. I know this is fairly normal and there are a ton of things that can cause it, like over training, not resting enough, not eating right, not being well hydrated, etc. Last night it seemed like all of those things were right and I can't really pin the problem to one of the normal causes.

Any general tips to avoiding the sluggish run? I don't have a good sense yet for when it's something I need to push through and when I need to just listen to my body and take a pass...

[nutmegchoi]

Sluggish run is inevitable to avoid.
It’s just part of the journey.
Could be your overall fitness, lack of sleep, lack of fluid, lack of diet, lack of fuel supply, over trained, under trained, hang over... could be anything.
You just have to get through and keep going.
There’ll be races won’t go as well as you planned to even though you trained hard and ready.
Try to learn from experience, make adjustments, learn from adjustments and keep on running.

[hutash]

...or lack of cocaine. That'll pick you up

Some runs are just like that. I just try to do a shorter then the planned run, but not give up completely. Some weeks are like that as well.

[nutmegchoi]

How about months and years?
Just started putting 2-3 miles here and there.
Hip’s tight but no pain yet.
No races this year.
Just going to take it easy and enjoy the run.

[Dantheman]

A question for the experienced runners. What do you do to combat those sluggish runs?

Running is new to me. I've been very slowly and consistently working in to it over the last 6 months or so. I'm shooting to run a pretty tough half marathon trail run in May. I ran my "long run" on Sunday morning. Followed it up with a short run Monday night that felt surprisingly good. Then I took a couple rest days and last night set out to run another short run. Everything just felt off. Sometimes it starts like that and by the time I'm a mile or so in things click but last night it just felt like my muscles just weren't firing and it never really got better. I know this is fairly normal and there are a ton of things that can cause it, like over training, not resting enough, not eating right, not being well hydrated, etc. Last night it seemed like all of those things were right and I can't really pin the problem to one of the normal causes.

Any general tips to avoiding the sluggish run? I don't have a good sense yet for when it's something I need to push through and when I need to just listen to my body and take a pass...

Listen to Taylor and don't worry too much about it. Focus on process, not outcomes.