why not remove the atomic plates?

[mntlion]

So I've just removed the plates on a sugar daddy and just mounted salomon bindings right to the ski and it all looks good
I has to make the heel of the binding a bit thinner and some of the toe plastic is a bit stiff, but overall it looks just fine.

You could not do this if you have a binding that has a screw hole in the middle, as the bata ribs run all the way down the middle of the ski below the plate, but S912ti demos work just fine.

Has anyone else done this?

Anyone see any problems with this?

The atomci plate is just screwed into the ski like any other binding or plate, no special holes in the ski it's self just a 4.1 * 9 hole

[White Chocolate]

I don't really see a problem with it. I have been skiing a pair of BDs with Rottefella R8s mounted straight into the ski like that and it has held up nicely. Can't see why an alpine binder with more screws and thus less forces on each screw should be any worse, possibly even better I think? Of course you wouldn't have the free floating plate and thus less stiffening under the binding, but it wouldn't be worse than any other ski without a free floating plate design, right?

Dang I am looking forward to getting my new ones and not having to deal with the plates though

edit: whoops; posted by Telepath on white hocolates compooper.

[L7]

I'm guessing the mounting reinforcement is missing. The area where the plate mounts is probably reinforced some. Maybe not.

[Telepath]

Originally posted by L7
I'm guessing the mounting reinforcement is missing. The area where the plate mounts is probably reinforced some. Maybe not.

Nope, it's not. Even if I didn't know that from Atomic it would have become obvious after seeing the ski without the plate.

[mntlion]

Originally posted by L7
I'm guessing the mounting reinforcement is missing. The area where the plate mounts is probably reinforced some. Maybe not.

Looked the same when the bindings and plate where removed.
We had one that the holes in the ski got stripped and I heli coiled them just like any other ski.

I think it is the same, but just not sure. I'll let some square head guide use them and find out

[Telepath]

Originally posted by mntlion
I think it is the same, but just not sure.

It is. At least according to whoever it was I spoke to at the factory and my AFT contacts. Atomic in scandiland says warranty is not voided by drilling the skis directly unless the damage is directly related to the mount (i.e. snapped ski through screwholes or at binding contact points).

[Shredhead]

Originally posted by Telepath
Atomic in scandiland says warranty is not voided by drilling the skis directly unless the damage is directly related to the mount (i.e. snapped ski through screwholes or at binding contact points).

That's not what I was told in the states by a rep. "Touch to plate void the warranty."

Since the BD's were having some issues with cracked edges, I went with the Atomic binders. Perhaps next year after my warranty has expired, I will switch to something else.

[Core Shot]

Bump for other non-hostage plate info for Yossarian's Big Daddy group ski purchase.

I've been searching for threads. this seems like the best so far.

So we have S912Ti demos and tele Cobra R8 mounts.

anything else?

[marshalolson]

the salomons i hav held up to the BD's would not fit, with out a bit of a shim or something. the toe basically fit INTO the channel, but did not sit flush on the ski due to the slight 1/2pipe shape of the channel...

just my .02

[marshalolson]

oh, my mechanical engenerd buddy cut up a polyeurethane cutting board, mounted it to the skis, and drilled into that, with great results too...
took him 20-30 mins... so it would take me an hour

[Core Shot]

oh, my mechanical engenerd buddy cut up a polyeurethane cutting board, mounted it to the skis, and drilled into that, with great results too...
took him 20-30 mins... so it would take me an hour

I dont know if I would trust screwing a binder into PU. But maybe if the binder was T-nutted to the PU that would be strong enough.

Otherwise, if you could mount the binder through the PU and tap into the ski that might be stronger (except for the shear forces, depending on the length of the screws or the height of the PU sheet).

[lemon boy]

[calling up distant memories] seems like I remember some people also mounting alternative bindings onto the atomic plate[/cudm]

[hemas]

So we have S912Ti demos and tele Cobra R8 mounts.

anything else?

Add 7TM's (tele) to the list as well, just had to grind a bit plastic from the side's to get a good fit.

Will measure all the stuff from my skis (same as in the Yossarian-thread, as I got 'em from DWS a few moths ago) and report back after I get home...

[hemas]

Obvious question: Do you hit a metal sheet when drilling into these, or is it all fiberglass and foam?

No metal on mine (same as at DWS), jsut fibreglass & foam.

[marshalolson]

I dont know if I would trust screwing a binder into PU. But maybe if the binder was T-nutted to the PU that would be strong enough.

Otherwise, if you could mount the binder through the PU and tap into the ski that might be stronger (except for the shear forces, depending on the length of the screws or the height of the PU sheet).

well the kid is 190#, and has hucked the shit out of them for 2 full seasons at least 40-50 days per season.
i would rather be in PU than the crappy plastic that the retail plate is made out of...

[comish]

I had my SD's mounted with cutting board risers and fritschi's for 2 years and it worked fine. I have since put a mount anything plate on them and will be mounting Look's this year.

Your options from what I could figure out were:
-Soli's directly to ski (might need to shave a little of the ski and/or binding because of the U shape of the ski might make the bindings not sit totally flush, but this should be no biggy)
-Cutting Board risers
-Mntlion mount-anything plate
-Andy something or other plates from SLC. They sound great, I have heard good reviews, just a little pricey at $60

[cantunamunch]

Tyrolia holes (except for Railflex/FF and PowerSelect) line up just as wide as mntlion's plates (Variocharger 9), just different distances along the ski.

comish, got a link to to the pricey plates?

[nate s]

The channel will fit anything 2" or smaller without a center screw easily. The bottom shim on my Bombers is just a hair under 2&1/4" and will fit in there. A slight amount of grinding/filling to round the bottom corners would let it sit flat.

[Tri-Ungulate]

nate s, you have Bombers on 'em? So the Bishop adapter plate fits fine? That's what I'd prolly be putting on 'em if this group buy thing goes through.

[hemas]

The channel will fit anything 2" or smaller without a center screw easily. The bottom shim on my Bombers is just a hair under 2&1/4" and will fit in there. A slight amount of grinding/filling to round the bottom corners would let it sit flat.

Yep, the flat space between the ribs is more or less 55mm, and the groove on the middle is about 20mm wide. So if the binder is narrower than 55mm (or if wider, the stuff outside 55mm is just plastic) and has no screws in the center (or 10mm either way of the centerline) you can just forget the plates...

[nate s]

nate s, you have Bombers on 'em? So the Bishop adapter plate fits fine? That's what I'd prolly be putting on 'em if this group buy thing goes through.

No, they aren't mounted, I've just been throwing different bindings I have lying around on there to see what would work. While the front plate would work ok, its the heel plate with the two screws in the middle that would be the problem.

[Professor]

Just a quick comment on mounting. If there is NO METAL (not the slightest bit), then you really should use a 3.6mm bit not a 4.1mm. Just some annoying techy note that you should think about. I would probably tap it too since that top sheet is rather hard.

[ljm]

i'm kind of a binding jong here (never done a mount or anything), but since the s912 can mount directly to the ski would it be possible to mount an s900 carbon binding w/ driver plate (circa 1999)? i believe it's the same hole pattern, correct? would a shop do this for me?

thanks

[Professor]

would a shop do this for me?

My guess is only if you know them or buy them beer. Most shops arent going to like doing this mount. However, I am sure someone on this board knows someone in a shop in your neck of the woods that likes doing weird mounts for beer. Usually the same shop that is OK with you writing, "I will adjust my own damn bindings, thank you" on the shop ticket.

[hucksquaw]

so let me get this straight. i have a pair of stomps with those damn plastic factory plates on em. i could strip those and mount a solly binding that i have lying around straight to the ski and they'll work fine and wont damage the integrity of the ski?