lazy ass illegals

[Benny Profane]

man, I had to look it up. Thought it was a nonsense name.

"Dinoflagellates are microscopic, (usually) unicellular, flagellated, often photosynthetic protists, commonly regarded as "algae" (Division Dinoflagellata). They are characterized by a transverse flagellum that encircles the body (often in a groove known as the cingulum) and a longitudinal flagellum oriented perpendicular to the transverse flagellum. This imparts a distinctive spiral to their swimming motion. Both flagella are inserted at the same point in the cell wall, by convention defining the ventral surface. This point is usually slightly depressed, and is termed the sulcus. In heterotrophic dinoflagellates (ones that eat other organisms), this is the point where a conical feeding structure, the peduncle, is projected in order to consume food."

[bklyn]

^ which makes mr gyp the only one on this board who can lay an original claim to this space.

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If you want to get all technical, all Protozoans and Dinoflagellates are wetbacks to Quarks and
Leptons.


-and Trayc made me laugh out loud.

[Benny Profane]

Read what I just quoted. Full of irony and ignorance. Not much different than the kneejerk, bleeding heart, race card-down-and-out-poor-guy, blind bullshit you usually post. Do you ever factor logic into your thinking process, or does that underdog hippy mentality dominate every electrical impulse in your brain?

Asshole. What kind of exposure do you get to people of color other than bumping into them at the Wal Mart near Leadville or whatever hole you're living in out in sunny mountain country, la la land for the core skier dudes.

My paternal grandmother and grandfather came over from Poland in 1918 and caught all the same shit Mexicans do now, but did shit work so their two sons could establish a decent middle class life and bring up little hippie BP. My maternal great-grandparents didn't do too much better, because, hell, it was legally tolerated at one time to put up a sign at a place of buisness that said "No Irish Need Apply". white niggers. But, they did OK, too, because they figured it out, and probably learned to kick some ass to get it if they didn't. So, I gotta ask, just like I ask all the other jerkoffs who spew these days, am I OK? Am I an American? I mean, what's the fucking definition? Why do some think they are so much better than others they can judge? What's the fine line here? Everyone but the Anglos are tainted?

Eat Shit, and clean your own dishes.

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THIS JUST IN, THIS ISN'T A RACE ISSUE YOU TOOLBAG.

[Benny Profane]

THIS JUST IN, THIS ISN'T A RACE ISSUE YOU TOOLBAG.

OK, you're stupid, too.

[zion zig zag]

Asshole. What kind of exposure do you get to people of color other than bumping into them at the Wal Mart near Leadville or whatever hole you're living in out in sunny mountain country, la la land for the core skier dudes.

I'm just wondering what kind of exposure you have? Just because the only mexicans you see are working hard on the greens at your country club doesn't mean none of them are causing any problems.

[Benny Profane]

I lived in NYC for 30 years, and I'm moving back. I play at public courses, if I play at all.

[zion zig zag]

I lived in NYC for 30 years, and I'm moving back. I play at public courses, if I play at all.

So living in an urban area makes you an expert on illegals and poverty?

[cj001f]

So living in an urban area makes you an expert on illegals and poverty?

Living in one of the whitest states in the nation makes you an expert on race? Can't help but notice the absence of anger at those damn European imugrunts.

[zion zig zag]

Living in one of the whitest states in the nation makes you an expert on race? Can't help but notice the absence of anger at those damn European imugrunts.

I'm not the one claiming to be an expert. But I do live in and work ems in a city that is over 40% Hispanic. Before you decide how angry I am please re-read the thread and cite specific instances where I'm particularly upset.

[summit]

Asshole. What kind of exposure do you get to people of color other than bumping into them at the Wal Mart near Leadville or whatever hole you're living in out in sunny mountain country, la la land for the core skier dudes.

Actually, at LEAST 20% of Summit County's population are immigrants and about half them are illegal.

My paternal grandmother and grandfather came over from Poland in 1918 and caught all the same shit Mexicans do now

I bet they came here legally.

[bklyn]

Yeah, most of my family came here between 1900 and 1920.

It was much easier to come into the country then. You basically just got off the boat at Ellis Island with no obvious diseases, a place to go and some money in your pocket and you were golden. So comparing legal immigration then and now is a straw man argument.

When you eat apples and oranges do they taste the same to you?

Some things that should be required reading for you folks who think you know the answers or that this is a new issue in the US:
http://www.ellisisland.org/immexp/wseix_5_2.asp?
http://www.ellisisland.org/immexp/wseix_5_3.asp?
Don't worry, it's the 101 version.

[marshalolson]

"Give me your tired, your poor,

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

-emma lazarus, on the statue of liberty

reflecting everything this country was based and founded upon


edit: and unless you hate america, and freedom, then you should salute the statue of LIBERTY and ALL that it stands for. end of story.

[Benny Profane]

So living in an urban area makes you an expert on illegals and poverty?

You're probably too young to remember this, young man, but New York City, the most vibrant, exciting city in the country, some say the world, (although SF is pretty cool) was once written off with glee by the rest of the country during it's nasty financial crisis of the 70's. ( Daily News: - FORD TO NEW YORK - DROP DEAD) A lot of people thought is was a metaphor for the death of cities as we know them. But lo and behold, NYC in 2006 is doing just fine. Tons o' money floating around, Times Square is Disney Worldish, and if you want to make it in many fields of business these days, you have to at least make a visit and go to school. Sure, the place has it's problems, especially it's schools, but the apocalyptic predictions of yore are now laughed at.
How so? Immigrants saved the city. They filled the vacuum left by white flight, and are still streaming in, bringing their, well, greed with them, because that's what America, and NYC especially, thrives on. They work like dogs, slap their kids around if they don't study (bilingualism in the schools is a liberal wish and a teacher union's job maker - the Russian and Chinese parents want nothing of it for their kids).
NYC has a long, long tradition of accepting immigrants. I have worked for Japanese, Germans, Jews, Italians, and Ivy League wasps. I have worked with Chinese, Brits, Aussies, Pakistanis, Indians, Vietnamese, Guyanese, an Iranian, Caribbean blacks, Puerto Ricans, Mexicans, Poles, Greeks, Russians, and, of course, many African Americans. Some were assholes, some snakes, many were good people, but all you had to learn to get along with, because you had to. Just like the big mess of races you ride the subway and trains with and walk the streets with and share seating at stadiums and restaurants.

Now, son, jump on a plane and spend a little time away from one of the whitest places on Earth, OK? Come visit Fun City. Don't shield yourself in a museum or tour group. Take the subway, ride the Staten Island Ferry, do Orange Julius for lunch, visit the Bronx Zoo. Hell, visit the Bronx.

It's a big messy place that works, and makes me proud sometimes, or at least kills my cynicism of the human condition.

[Viva]

of course, it should be noted that the mexicans/guatamalans/nicagaruans/ etc etc etc have far more claim to being in this country that we, the white folks do.

While there still are a number of "natives", i.e., people decendants of the pre-Spanish indians, I'm guessing that most of the current, illigal, immigrants are of mixed decent, so any claims to their "legitimacy" is probably dubious.

On a side note, anyone else notice a remarkable paucity of freeway traffic today? Shit, I hope they hold a boycott once a week from now on.

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Fuck the statue of Liberty, and fuck the French. and oh yeah, let's let the murderers and rapists out. quit discriminating.

[marshalolson]

While there still are a number of "natives", i.e., people decendants of the pre-Spanish indians, I'm guessing that most of the current, illigal, immigrants are of mixed decent, so any claims to their "legitimacy" is probably dubious.

while that may be true, it is still stronger than our claim, unless you want to actually acknowledge genocide as a political tool.

[Viva]

I have worked for Japanese, Germans, Jews, Italians, and Ivy League wasps. I have worked with Chinese, Brits, Aussies, Pakistanis, Indians, Vietnamese, Guyanese, an Iranian, Caribbean blacks, Puerto Ricans, Mexicans, Poles, Greeks, Russians, and, of course, many African Americans. Some were assholes, some snakes, many were good people, but all you had to learn to get along with, because you had to.

You know, change "worked for" to "worked with" and this passage comes close to summing up my career in science here in the U.S.

[shamrockpow]

The flaw in your logic is that you assume all the money is being spent back inside the US. IT IS NOT! It is being sent back to MEXICO. Do you think the family in Guadalajara gets money from their loved illegal alien in Houston, they call up a US mail order catalog?

US dollars sent to Mexico get exchanged for Pesos.

And taxed at 10%. Just happens to be someone other than the gubernment taking its cut:

[cj001f]

On a side note, anyone else notice a remarkable paucity of freeway traffic today? Shit, I hope they hold a boycott once a week from now on.

The fields weren't being picked today on the way in.....

[zion zig zag]

You're probably too young to remember this, young man, but New York City, the most vibrant, exciting city in the country, some say the world, (although SF is pretty cool) was once written off with glee by the rest of the country during it's nasty financial crisis of the 70's. ( Daily News: - FORD TO NEW YORK - DROP DEAD) A lot of people thought is was a metaphor for the death of cities as we know them. But lo and behold, NYC in 2006 is doing just fine. Tons o' money floating around, Times Square is Disney Worldish, and if you want to make it in many fields of business these days, you have to at least make a visit and go to school. Sure, the place has it's problems, especially it's schools, but the apocalyptic predictions of yore are now laughed at.
How so? Immigrants saved the city. They filled the vacuum left by white flight, and are still streaming in, bringing their, well, greed with them, because that's what America, and NYC especially, thrives on. They work like dogs, slap their kids around if they don't study (bilingualism in the schools is a liberal wish and a teacher union's job maker - the Russian and Chinese parents want nothing of it for their kids).
NYC has a long, long tradition of accepting immigrants. I have worked for Japanese, Germans, Jews, Italians, and Ivy League wasps. I have worked with Chinese, Brits, Aussies, Pakistanis, Indians, Vietnamese, Guyanese, an Iranian, Caribbean blacks, Puerto Ricans, Mexicans, Poles, Greeks, Russians, and, of course, many African Americans. Some were assholes, some snakes, many were good people, but all you had to learn to get along with, because you had to. Just like the big mess of races you ride the subway and trains with and walk the streets with and share seating at stadiums and restaurants.

Now, son, jump on a plane and spend a little time away from one of the whitest places on Earth, OK? Come visit Fun City. Don't shield yourself in a museum or tour group. Take the subway, ride the Staten Island Ferry, do Orange Julius for lunch, visit the Bronx Zoo. Hell, visit the Bronx.

It's a big messy place that works, and makes me proud sometimes, or at least kills my cynicism of the human condition.

That's actually a very nice soliloquy on New York, but I still fail to understand how it makes you an expert on this topic. If any thing, according to you, living in New York would make you even more ignorant about immigration issues because they fit in so seamlessly and smooth. Maybe you should live in a place where there have been problems, where the immigrants have been less well received.

Now, son, jump on a plane and spend a little time away from one of the whitest places on Earth, OK?

I won't deny that most of Utah is whiter than white, but again, the city I live and work in is close to 40% Hispanic, the area I grew up in was less than 50% white. Still, I'm not claiming to be an expert here, just calling you out on your self-righteous attitude towards other posters.

All this for me to say that I don't necessarily disagree with you, just that your delivery was a little abrasive.

[summit]

while that may be true, it is still stronger than our claim, unless you want to actually acknowledge genocide as a political tool.

We should all jsut go back to Europe/Asia/Africa and let the Mexicans have what is theirs.

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no mexicans in northern utah or southern idaho....you know, no potatoes there. what would the mexicans do for a living?

They all moved to nyc.

[pointedem]

man, some of you guys come off as fucking abrasive, to say the least.

as far as the Mexican population in the USA goes:

The USA was built by immigrants- all of you remember the "melting pot" unit in social studies, or what ever it is called now.

It is the fact that while our economy demands lower wage jobs that seemingly only Mexican immigrants can fill (debatable, btw) THE MAJORITY DO NOT PAY ANY FUCKING TAXES. I'm sure they would love to pay taxes, car insurance, health care bills, ect, but while they complain that they only make 5-6 $/hr- untaxed, and not paying "off the top" type bills, - they are not very bad off. Granted some of the labor is undesirable, But if you are going to march for equal rights and assimilation, then it also comes with the financially responsibility of every other tax payin' citizen. just wanted to clear that up.

and Benny, just because some of us live in Utah ( i do)

I see you claim to be from Downtown Saratoga Springs- I dont wanna hear another squeak outta you about that, "Fun City" BS Mr. The-August-place-to-be. For you that dont know, Saratoga Springs is one of the most high rolling (horse) tracks in the country. The city follows close suite.