Line Elizabeth

[BanditXXX]

Any feed back on these skis? Who is skiing them? They are sold out. So they must be a good ski/

[BanditXXX]

Just found some. Bought em. I'll give a report when I get them mounted up.

139-110-137 Shwing!!!!!!!

[bossass]

My comments from a different thread:

Skied 172 Elizabeth's
Pretty firmish, but warming up day.
My opinion: To specialized a ski. Super fun in the park on hits and between hits in a flowy line, but when you have to ski anything other than perfectly groomed slopes, these are sketchy. Super flexy for buttering=really bad on any sort of unperfect snow. The sidecut is fun for making some really loopy side to side GS turns, you can really lean into these like a snowboard, but when you need to skid to ditch speed or manuever around gapers and break your flow, they just don't perform at all. It's not the kind of thing where I think I need to get used to them, I don't think I ever could. I'm a big fan of different design in skis, but I don't like this one. Pollard is significantly smaller than I (I'm 6-0, 195), so maybe they are more managable for a smaller rider. There is a 182 version, the Sir Francis Bacon, coming out next year, but based on my ride on these I can't imagine the added length would make these desireable. They were also kinda scary on steep fast pitches where you let your skis run. They need to be on edge, and you need to be leaning into them significantly for them to work right. If you're just going fast and have the ski flat, or barely on edge, they get super squirrely.

Further thoughts: not a big guy ski. There is a 186 version next year, Sir Francis Bacon, but this ski weirded me out too much to think that increased length is gonna help it out. Perhaps if it were stiffened significantely.

[Red Baron]

and from what I hear, in this case...the "sold out" status may be from a lack of product, rather than popularity of the ski. Just a heads up.

[BanditXXX]

My comments from a different thread:

Skied 172 Elizabeth's
Pretty firmish, but warming up day.
My opinion: To specialized a ski. Super fun in the park on hits and between hits in a flowy line, but when you have to ski anything other than perfectly groomed slopes, these are sketchy. Super flexy for buttering=really bad on any sort of unperfect snow. The sidecut is fun for making some really loopy side to side GS turns, you can really lean into these like a snowboard, but when you need to skid to ditch speed or manuever around gapers and break your flow, they just don't perform at all. It's not the kind of thing where I think I need to get used to them, I don't think I ever could. I'm a big fan of different design in skis, but I don't like this one. Pollard is significantly smaller than I (I'm 6-0, 195), so maybe they are more managable for a smaller rider. There is a 182 version, the Sir Francis Bacon, coming out next year, but based on my ride on these I can't imagine the added length would make these desireable. They were also kinda scary on steep fast pitches where you let your skis run. They need to be on edge, and you need to be leaning into them significantly for them to work right. If you're just going fast and have the ski flat, or barely on edge, they get super squirrely.

Further thoughts: not a big guy ski. There is a 186 version next year, Sir Francis Bacon, but this ski weirded me out too much to think that increased length is gonna help it out. Perhaps if it were stiffened significantely.

Did you say "buttering". ?? As in on a cinnamon roll? Sounds good to me. You're 6' 195#? On a 172 cm ski? That, could be a problem. I'm 5'8" 170#. I'm hoping for a sweet ride on these skis. At Crystal in Washington, it seems like the riders on fat boards survive much better. The conditions get pretty nasty out here in the PNW. It doesn't seem like a ski to be in the park or groomers on. Did you take it off piste??

[StuntCok]

I bought a pair early this season without a demo (there is hardly any demoing here in Japan anyway). At 93kg I was WAY to heavy for these noodles. Sold them to a 70kg buddy and he loves them. Great for short turns in the pow, which in Japan usually means skiing in the trees, so a great ski for the smaller skiier. How big is Eric Pollard anyway?

[BanditXXX]

I bought a pair early this season without a demo (there is hardly any demoing here in Japan anyway). At 93kg I was WAY to heavy for these noodles. Sold them to a 70kg buddy and he loves them. Great for short turns in the pow, which in Japan usually means skiing in the trees, so a great ski for the smaller skiier. How big is Eric Pollard anyway?

That's the main reason I bought them. On most days, visibility is limited @ Crystal. That's when the trees are the best. The freshies in the trees. Shwing.

[bossass]

Did you say "buttering". ?? As in on a cinnamon roll? Sounds good to me. You're 6' 195#? On a 172 cm ski? That, could be a problem. I'm 5'8" 170#. I'm hoping for a sweet ride on these skis. At Crystal in Washington, it seems like the riders on fat boards survive much better. The conditions get pretty nasty out here in the PNW. It doesn't seem like a ski to be in the park or groomers on. Did you take it off piste??

Bandit,

If you don't know what buttering is, I think you're missing the point of this ski. It's super flexy. Like, you can stand there with them on and pick up one foot and press the tip and make them flex, significantly. You can't do that with most skis. It is a park ski. Like I said above, unless the slope is groomed perfectly flat, this ski gets knocked around alot. Kids are riding fat ass skis in the park these days. Andy Mahre rides the Made'ns all the time. Yeah the E is fat, but it's got a ton of sidecut, so it will carve easily on groomed. I'm sure a smaller person can rock these in all conditions okay, but for anyone over 150 (just a guess). I think they will be way too squirrely and sloppy in crud. I skied them on a moderate pitch on some well skied manky moguls and I feared for my life. I agree on the production numbers being why these are hard to find. I've never seen anyone on them except a rep or Pollard (who's probably about 150 and 5-7ish.)

I really hope you like them, but they are way different than any other ski out there. I really think a 183 or 176 Gotama would've done you better at Xtal. That ski is sold out for good reason. Or a 179 Made'n, if you're not super heavy. I was on the E, because I was testing them. It's something I do from time to time for my trade.

[BanditXXX]

Bandit,

If you don't know what buttering is, I think you're missing the point of this ski. It's super flexy. Like, you can stand there with them on and pick up one foot and press the tip and make them flex, significantly. You can't do that with most skis. It is a park ski. Like I said above, unless the slope is groomed perfectly flat, this ski gets knocked around alot. Kids are riding fat ass skis in the park these days. Andy Mahre rides the Made'ns all the time. Yeah the E is fat, but it's got a ton of sidecut, so it will carve easily on groomed. I'm sure a smaller person can rock these in all conditions okay, but for anyone over 150 (just a guess). I think they will be way too squirrely and sloppy in crud. I skied them on a moderate pitch on some well skied manky moguls and I feared for my life. I agree on the production numbers being why these are hard to find. I've never seen anyone on them except a rep or Pollard (who's probably about 150 and 5-7ish.)

I really hope you like them, but they are way different than any other ski out there. I really think a 183 or 176 Gotama would've done you better at Xtal. That ski is sold out for good reason. Or a 179 Made'n, if you're not super heavy. I was on the E, because I was testing them. It's something I do from time to time for my trade.

I've found a liking for softer flexing skis. They just seem more forgiving to me, in all conditions. Being 48 y.o., I don't need something for flat out speed. I like to go deep under cover , where no one else goes and explore the fresh in tight trees. I think these will do the trick. I think at Crystal , short and fat work, if you spend your time off piste. If you like the groomers, well then that's a different story. Plus the graphics look cool. And isn't that part of it? Looking cool in the lift lines? At least that is what Eric DeLaurier says in his X-Team Film.

[BanditXXX]

Dood, you are like 6' and 195. You need a frikin 189 "B" Sqaud.

[gramboh]

I think the point he is trying to make is it is not just a softer flexing ski like a Pocket Rocket or Super Soft Bro, it is specifically designed for freestyle skiing in the BC/Park but with a wide platform/soft buttering flex (buttering is like a manual on a skateboard, where you are riding only on the nose or tails of the ski with your feet in the air, hard to do on skis, much easier on a snowboard). Not saying you won't like em, they look like interesting boards, but they aren't the most versatile skis.

[BanditXXX]

I think the point he is trying to make is it is not just a softer flexing ski like a Pocket Rocket or Super Soft Bro, it is specifically designed for freestyle skiing in the BC/Park but with a wide platform/soft buttering flex (buttering is like a manual on a skateboard, where you are riding only on the nose or tails of the ski with your feet in the air, hard to do on skis, much easier on a snowboard). Not saying you won't like em, they look like interesting boards, but they aren't the most versatile skis.

I'm thinking they should be very versatile. We shall see. "Soft buttering flex". That sounds pretty delicious to me. Unless you are banging the groomers all day, I don't think a skinny, stiff stick is what you need at Crystal. This is just my opinion. But, I have found that a shorter, fatter ski can make skiing way more fun in the PNW. (Currently on Fischer Big Stix 106 (170 cm). 2004 version of 185 Rossi XXX (90 mm under foot) for hard pack days. Shwing!!

[jibij]

I bought a pair a month or two ago (http://tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45022). They're a REALLY fun ski but as I was warned by folks here, they're not an all-mountain ski. I've found their top end more than once and almost paid a big price each time. These skis LOVE to turn and will do so without warning. I snowboard and ski, and I was intrigued by the snowboard-style elliptical sidecut. If there's some decent snow, they're a lot of fun, otherwise you better get them up on an edge. They will load up nice and shoot you out of a turn. You can lay them all the way over which is pretty fun on short fast turns. So... they're a fun ski but if I had to do it over again, I'd probably buy the Atua's for an everyday ski.

Here's the thread where I asked the same question you're asking(http://tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43906)

BTW... I'm about 5'9" and 170 lbs.

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[skimasterflex]

How big is Eric Pollard anyway?

That is the thing you guys, Pollard is not a small guy. I am 5'11" 195lbs, and Eric is nearly as big as me. I skied the ski with him at Squaw this year and I've skied my buddy's pair a bunch too and they are neat/ very different. Given enough time on them I have been able to figure out what it is Eric likes so much about them, they are different. He has 150's, 130's, 100's, this is his goofing around in pow/park ski. It isn't his serious ski. He isn't a midget claiming his pro model is for big mountain. He's a big guy who does nose and tail presses all day long when the snow is crappy and who goes heli skiing on the 130's or his 150's when it's blower. It is bad at outruns or anything fast through crud, because his other 3 skis rail through crud.

On a lighter note my buddy brett is 5'3" 125lbs and he absolutely kills big mountain on these. To him they're effing G funkenstein big.

[jibij]

^^^^

Well said. As the link in my last post indicates, I got a chance to talk to EP on my first day on them. He's the first to say that the Elizabeth's are built for fun.

It's a different ski for a different experience. Each owner will have to decide for themselves whether it's good for them as an everyday ski.

[Greydon Clark]

He's the first to say that the Elizabeth's are built for fun.

What a concept. Reading these threads you can get the impression that buying a ski a referendum on your life and worth as a person.

[attitashfreestyle29]

I want a pair so bad if anyone knows where i could get a pair for under 450 that'd be great. PM me if you know of anywhere

[BanditXXX]

I want a pair so bad if anyone knows where i could get a pair for under 450 that'd be great. PM me if you know of anywhere

Go to www.getboards.com

[attitashfreestyle29]

getboards wants $500 thats a little more than i want to pay

[hellbenter94]

I bought a pair early this season without a demo (there is hardly any demoing here in Japan anyway). At 93kg I was WAY to heavy for these noodles. Sold them to a 70kg buddy and he loves them. Great for short turns in the pow, which in Japan usually means skiing in the trees, so a great ski for the smaller skiier. How big is Eric Pollard anyway?

Pollard isent a big guy only about 140-150 pounds 5 10" Theres the reason why his skis are so noodly

[nugblaster]

Thank you, everyone in this thread has been on the edge of their seats for 3 1/2 years waiting for the answer to how big Eric Pollard is. You sir are a scholar and a gentleman!

[Zeppelinskier]

yeah i wasn't a fan of the sir francis bacons, which i think is just a bigger version of the said ski. Hooks like crazy, but it has been the best ski I have skied switch on, that part i liked.

[Zeppelinskier]

wow old thread..