Salomon Teneighty Gun Lab mounting point ....

[wildstyle]

.... Just got a set and i'll be mounting them with alpine salomon bindings with a riser to try and counter the 100+ mm waist.

I'll be using them for off piste for large arcing turns, a bit of hucking and some serious la grave action in march. I have other skis for the parks and won't be riding switch much on these. I have other skis for touring so i won't be mounting them with naxo's or fritschi's.

What mounting point would you guys suggest ? Are they fat enough to mount center or am i gonna have to go back a few cms ? I'm thinking i'll have to go back a little.

[marshalolson]

.... Just got a set and i'll be mounting them with alpine salomon bindings with a riser to try and counter the 100+ mm waist.

I'll be using them for off piste for large arcing turns, a bit of hucking and some serious la grave action in march. I have other skis for the parks and won't be riding switch much on these. I have other skis for touring so i won't be mounting them with naxo's or fritschi's.

What mounting point would you guys suggest ? Are they fat enough to mount center or am i gonna have to go back a few cms ? I'm thinking i'll have to go back a little.

why would you want risers? you have more leverage on the edge due to the width (ie your foot is further from the ground when the ski is on edge)... if you can ski 92mm w/o rise, you can ski the 101 w/o rise.

i would go 1-2cm back from FR mount. again, i would compare w. your nordicas, as they are about the same length, and both are twinned.

[H-wood]

So you want to take a perfectly good powder ski and make it worse for skiing powder?
Marshall is on the money.

[SLSki]

I wouldn't go center, don't ruin the ski, especially one as expensive as that.

[bossass]

Yeah, if you're not going switch, why mount center. I like mounting a bit forward, just to stay out of the backseat, but that's me. I'd never go center, even on a park ski.

If you want to "counter" the width of that ski, I have some race stock GS solly's I'll trade you.

[wildstyle]

thanks for the advice guys.

Marshalolson/ h-wood:

I've never had a pair of skis this wide before and i thought i would have to have a riser to make them a bit more controllable for the little bit of on piste i will do with them.

Why would the riser ruin the dynamics for powder skiing so much ? The fritschis and naxos have a massive rise from the skis but all you guys use them for off piste. Surely if a riser was that bad, all you guys would have 997 equipes on your Bro's / gotamas and you'd use (cough) trekkers with them. I've used my 1080;s with fritschis for a couple of years now and off piste i haven't noticed a hell of a difference due to the rise.

SLSki/bossass:

I've got the beasts mounted 2.5 cms back which is fine but a bit slow on the transition ( due to weight and binding position). As the gun lab is much wider on the tip and lighter and i want the ability to make quick , sharp turns, I was thinking about being able to have them mounted only 1cm back.

I have multiple 997 equipes and a set of s916's. I have also just tracked down the 916/997 flat riser plates that allows you to mount it 0,-1,-2. (thanks mechmaster). i was just wondering what other peoples experiences were....

[Big Blue]

The main reason for a riser is to keep from "booting out" on narrow skis at high angulation. With a wide ski there's no chance of booting out anyway. Transitions are actually quicker with no riser because you have less lateral distance for your knee to travel to angulate the ski. Don't put a riser on there. As far as the naxo/freeride thing, I think everyone that owns them wishes that they weren't so high off the ski. If they made an AT binding that sat lower but was equally durable I'd buy it.

[Telepath]

Well, I'm definately with Marshal. No riser necessary. Over the past five years I have some 600ish days I think on skis wider than 100mm at the waist, and a load oif different bindings. I see no need for riders, even on hardpack, transport on groomers or anything else. And especially not in La Grave where extra risers just mean more twist and leverage on your knees anyways. Once you get there you'll notice that not a lot of locals use risers on wide skis as carveability isn't really what they're after. And on a 100mm ski bootout is no problem even when skiing really steep.

As for the Freeride/Naxo issue; if someone made a lower binder that held up I think people would jump at it in an instant. But yeah, there are people (like me) who would be on Trekkers for a lot of stuff still in order to have proper binders sans lift when skiing.

Yes, they are fat enough to mount center. But no matter how fat a ski is, it'll prolly still loose performance when mounted center. If you're not going to go switch why mount center? At least in La Grave you want directional stability in weird snow.

[wildstyle]

Thanks guys.

I think i'll be mounting a set of 916's 2cms back with no riser then. The less twist on my knees the better.I'll get the first chance to try them in Zermatt in a couple of weeks. Hopefully it won't be a rockfest.

I'll update this one and the great mounting thread with the results.

[wildstyle]

Without lift, you're going to get signifigantly more pressure and stress on your knees if you try to edge the ski on firmer snow. You're fighting a large lever. Any impacts (snow, ice, rocks, etc) to the edge are going to be transmit more lateral force to your legs than if you were on narrower skis or had more lift.

Thanks highway,

Big blue states the shorter lateral distance from ski to knee making easier initiation as the reason for no riser while highway states hits to the edge while on no riser will transmit more force to the leg which makes sense as the larger lever of the wider ski will transmit more of a lateral force to the leg/knee.

I would prefer to take less of a hit to the leg if possible.

I'm going to ponder the physics for a bit i think .....

[wildstyle]

right, they've arrived.
I've compared them to my Nordica beast 92 TT's. The Gun Labs appear to be a larger pair of Nordicas . They have a very similiar sidecut to the gun labs with a bit lower radius.. The mounting marks are in almost exactly the same chord position on both sets of skis.

Beast 92 tt 124/92/116 R27@188
Gun labs 135/101/126 R24.2@188

I'm going to drill my 92 tt's for center and +2.5 . they are already drilled for -2.5 which i find is too much ski up front for me. This will give me chance to test out the dynamics on the beasts before drilling the guns.

I'll update you guys when i get a chance to have them drilled and tested.