DP skis already behind in production

[KANUTTEN]

I am fading fast here.. will have to pick this up in the morning.

Well we have been patient for more than one morning now. You got an excuse to stay away for a day or two, not for a week! And don't even think about not completing that explanation! We are not saturated when it comes to geeky explainations of how this ski is manufactured. After all this IS tech talk

[Shredgar]

Can someone please describe how the flex is measured?

[Glisseur]

You got an excuse to stay away for a day or two, not for a week! And don't even think about not completing that explanation!

How about having your computer stolen from the back of your camping car?

Can someone please describe how the flex is measured?

Have never seen this irl but basically you put the ski to rest on the tip and tail, on the edges of the contact area. Then you put a weight on the ski to measure how much it takes to bend/flex the ski a certain distance. It's not an exact index but it makes it possible to roughly compare the longitudional flex between different ski models. Think it might have been the db dudes who introduced it, not sure, as an attempt to create a common way of measuring ski flex. Would cool if more companies followed suite and used the same (or a similar) method.

[skiing_addict]

glisseur, is that you in the picture in backcountry magazine article about skiing in Kashmir?

[Tri-Ungulate]

glisseur, is that you in the picture in backcountry magazine article about skiing in Kashmir?

He's the one carrying the AK-47.

[hop]

glisseur, is that you in the picture in backcountry magazine article about skiing in Kashmir?

Yep, he's the guy in the yellow jacket w/ Adidas goggs. The guy in grey next to the soldier is Eric Spongberg, the super deeeeep shot as well as the opening spread is Nacho Ferrer Catena, and the gaper tele dork is me.

[frorider]

Maybe a tad, yes. Definately no.

I've skied both first and second year Tablas (Glisseur's own skis, I guess I put the first coreshots in the new ones, hehe) and they are amazingly damp (dead?) for such a light ski; though imo no more damp than say my FFLs or old team-M103s. Construction seems about as damp as the Big Daddies I'd say, but they probably feel less "lively" due to their sweet lack of shape.

As for it taking a while to get used to, no! I have never ever tried such a short ski at the speeds that I ended up skiing the Tablas. And thus dampness is a pretty good thing; keeps underwear dry & clean etc. This dampness does NOT translate do being slow/less lively in tight trees, highspeed billygoating or such at all.

Any relearning needed might be due to the speeds at which one will likely end up skiing. No matter what ski you're on higher speeds translates into trees, rocks and other obstacles coming up on you a lot faster; and a lot more inertia when driver error occurs. See hop's earlier "review" of Glisseurs first gen Tablas for more info on that

in terms of ski comparisons, i'm also interested in hearing from anyone who has skied the spatulas and the Birdos ski. The two locals i know who have skied the Spatula and the Birdos (reverse sidecut and camber, wood/carbon fiber construction) have strongly preferred the birdos since it is stiffer and lighter than the Spat. From what I could tell, the design philosophy of the Birdos is a hybrid of the spatula and the tabla rasa, but came out around the same time as the TR.

INterestingly ,the dp site calls the Lotus a cross between a spatula and a tabla rasa.

http://www.birdos.com/11.php

[Tri-Ungulate]

INterestingly ,the dp site calls the Lotus a cross between a spatula and a tabla rasa.

Of course, they meant the Lotus 138, not the Lotus 120, which (without the swallowtail) is more like the 2nd year Tabla Telepath describes.

Those birdos look cool.

[powdog]

It seems criminal to have a powder ski that is all-white. Witness the Rossignol Bandit XXX (B3) and Dynastar 4X4 and Intutive. If you lose a ski in the steep and deep (hey, it happens unless you crank your bindings up to 14 or 18), it will take you forever to find your ski. I know of several people that have spray painted their B3's and Intuitive Bigs safety orange (aka hunter orange).

Does Dp ski models have an all-carbon core or an all-wood core. I don't trust any kind of foam - except for Atomic's powder skis.

[dp]

There is bright red base inlay ("dp" on tips and tail) to help with Search and Rescue on the Lotus 138, and hopefully enough clean, open canvas on the topside for stickers if finding it is a concern.

On the Lotus 138, we drew from the on-snow characteristics of both the Spatula and the TR. The end result partially embodies the design concepts that run through those shapes (flex patterns, rocker, sidecuts, etc). Brainstorming launched from the Spaula/TR, but in reality, the 138 became its own animal, complete with its own new assumptions (the Lotus 120 is fact a far closer cousin to the old Tabla Rasa). We'll see if it works or not here shortly, but our money is on the Lotus 138 making new things possible in deep snow. It's a damn exciting period for powder shape design in general...

Flex: quantifying flex data isn't a new thing. Large companies have done it for a long time, but unfortunately that information doesn't make it to the brouchers. The method for determining a ski's overall flex is as Glisseur described it.

More on Foam and Wood Core: check out Pete's post over in teletips, which gets down to it. http://www.telemarktalk.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=13284

In respect to the festering thread, there's plenty to focus on right now that involves getting some great new skis out there this coming season. While it's incredibly tempting to enter that burning ring of fire with some serious juice- my fingertips were practically quivering to type- everyone at DP has decided not to engage it. One day, there will have to be a fine gossip novel (or perhaps a telenovella complete with the red dress lass, as it were) entitled, "Ski Company".

I will say that it has been a strange and hard ride to this point, but that with DP, and the vibe and people that run through it, it feels good to get back to the pure feel of a dream started once upon a time: to make the most progressively-shaped and built skis on the planet and to travel around chasing powder with your friends. That said, back to the mission at hand...

[splat]

In respect to the festering thread, there's plenty to focus on right now that involves getting some great new skis out there this coming season. While it's incredibly tempting to enter that burning ring of fire with some serious juice- my fingertips were practically quivering to type- everyone at DP has decided not to engage it. One day, there will have to be a fine gossip novel (or perhaps a telenovella complete with the red dress lass, as it were) entitled, "Ski Company".

Can I buy some ad space on the TV series?

[Sean Connery Impression] I'll take the anal bum cover for sheven hundred dollars. [/Sean Connery Impression]

[snorkeldeep]

There is bright red base inlay ("dp" on tips and tail) to help with Search and Rescue on the Lotus 138, and hopefully enough clean, open canvas on the topside for stickers if finding it is a concern.

On the Lotus 138, we drew from the on-snow characteristics of both the Spatula and the TR. The end result partially embodies the design concepts that run through those shapes (flex patterns, rocker, sidecuts, etc). Brainstorming launched from the Spaula/TR, but in reality, the 138 became its own animal, complete with its own new assumptions (the Lotus 120 is fact a far closer cousin to the old Tabla Rasa). We'll see if it works or not here shortly, but our money is on the Lotus 138 making new things possible in deep snow. It's a damn exciting period for powder shape design in general...

Flex: quantifying flex data isn't a new thing. Large companies have done it for a long time, but unfortunately that information doesn't make it to the brouchers. The method for determining a ski's overall flex is as Glisseur described it.

More on Foam and Wood Core: check out Pete's post over in teletips, which gets down to it. http://www.telemarktalk.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=13284

In respect to the festering thread, there's plenty to focus on right now that involves getting some great new skis out there this coming season. While it's incredibly tempting to enter that burning ring of fire with some serious juice- my fingertips were practically quivering to type- everyone at DP has decided not to engage it. One day, there will have to be a fine gossip novel (or perhaps a telenovella complete with the red dress lass, as it were) entitled, "Ski Company".

I will say that it has been a strange and hard ride to this point, but that with DP, and the vibe and people that run through it, it feels good to get back to the pure feel of a dream started once upon a time: to make the most progressively-shaped and built skis on the planet and to travel around chasing powder with your friends. That said, back to the mission at hand...

best of luck to you stephan - hope everything works out.