Armada ski boot is live

[stealurface831]

doesn’t atomic make this claim with some
of their boots. The adding or removing bolt thing? I thought that whole drilling a hole and adding a second screw was described as adding stiffness?

pretty sure it was touted on the hawx at one point.

[tompietrowski]

pretty sure it was touted on the hawx at one point.

Loads of boot claim it changes the flex but it’s not true. It changes the feel of the boot and the way the cuff and lower shell interact but it can’t change the flex. The flex comes from the shell/cuff material and liner, taking a bolt out won’t change those things.

[stealurface831]

ya know what? im doing a lot of hatin but in the end i appreciate that someone is introducing a new 3 piece since dalbello decided to fuck up a good thing.

[tompietrowski]

ya know what? im doing a lot of hatin but in the end i appreciate that someone is introducing a new 3 piece since dalbello decided to fuck up a good thing.

Any new boot these days is exciting! And it’s awesome to see more brands enter the market and do things in a more modern way

[gaijin]

Love the now two options between this and K2 Cascade. Tech toe, no walk mode.

I wonder if that cable flexes.

So far the K2 double Boa and a booster has my attention. Super curious to hear more about this boot.

[swissiphic]

Loads of boot claim it changes the flex but it’s not true. It changes the feel of the boot and the way the cuff and lower shell interact but it can’t change the flex. The flex comes from the shell/cuff material and liner, taking a bolt out won’t change those things.

Yeah, I got so frustrated with the lack of adjustable forward flex in my ski touring boots that I D.I.Y.'d the hell outta my venerable Dynafit Vulcans and lived with the glory of skiing in the holy grail of ski boot feel for a few seasons....before the d.i.y.'d to hell extreme mod finally simply wore out, lol. Looking back, it's hard to believe the magic sauce came in the form of a few small chunks of $6 dog ball rubber. Can't understand why manufacturers can't build a better mousetrap....the ability to go from locked out factory stiff when needed, to plush, long stroke super progressive and damped forward flex in deep pow and other 3D snow was such a game changer. One of the big surprises was it seemed that all the flex force was refocused from the shell to the flex/damper mechansim and it almost eliminated any bulging of the scaffo and thusly seemed to provide a more consistent lower boot fit and more precise edge engagement in turns, fwiw.

[tompietrowski]

when i take 1 or 2 bolts out of the spine it feels softer forward flex and has significantly less rebound.

It has changed the rebound for sure but the flex has not changed. You can’t change how plastic flex’s by removing a screw

[tompietrowski]

obviously the plastic doesn't change, but the boot certainly feels like it flexes forward easier when a screw is removed.

The amount the cuff may move before engaging the lower may increase but once it does engage the flex will be exactly the same. That’s why we say it changes the rebound and response.

[mr_pretzel]

ya know what? im doing a lot of hatin but in the end i appreciate that someone is introducing a new 3 piece since dalbello decided to fuck up a good thing.

Whats wrong with the new dalbello

[stealurface831]

Whats wrong with the new dalbello

completely new molds. higher volume all around. WAY less burly compared to krypton/lupo. non removable tongue.

[gaijin]

Ignorance is bliss. I think that's where I'm at because I am so glad I'm an old-school RS skier with an Intuition Pro Tongue and a Booster that I see these new bells and whistles and I'm like-- Oh, cool... progress.

Everyone else is bitching about how shitty it is.

I remember a solid twenty years ago a fellow comrade was bitching because his sponsor sent him new boots that he "had to wear." He was like -- Jesus Christ, I just got these ones to fit.

That's how I feel now. It's like losing your phone and having to get a new one. Jesus fucking christ.. The last thing I want at this age, and consistency, and stability is a new fucking boot.

So when you chaps chime in about how shitty these new releases are, I kinda soak in it. "Yeah, maybe I'm good for another round of nuance."

[Self Jupiter]

Ignorance is bliss. I think that's where I'm at because I am so glad I'm an old-school RS skier with an Intuition Pro Tongue and a Booster that I see these new bells and whistles and I'm like-- Oh, cool... progress.

Everyone else is bitching about how shitty it is.

I remember a solid twenty years ago a fellow comrade was bitching because his sponsor sent him new boots that he "had to wear." He was like -- Jesus Christ, I just got these ones to fit.

That's how I feel now. It's like losing your phone and having to get a new one. Jesus fucking christ.. The last thing I want at this age, and consistency, and stability is a new fucking boot.

So when you chaps chime in about how shitty these new releases are, I kinda soak in it. "Yeah, maybe I'm good for another round of nuance."

Everyone here should at least try Zipfits if they haven’t already. I was an Intuition guy too.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Hey stealie, if you’re unhappy with the new dalbello cabrio, you should give the Roxa Element a try or the Rthree for a hybrid. The last is probably better than the Krypton or Lupo. Great performance and a little lighter.


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[SnowMachine]

Ignorance is bliss. I think that's where I'm at because I am so glad I'm an old-school RS skier with an Intuition Pro Tongue and a Booster that I see these new bells and whistles and I'm like-- Oh, cool... progress.

Everyone else is bitching about how shitty it is.

I remember a solid twenty years ago a fellow comrade was bitching because his sponsor sent him new boots that he "had to wear." He was like -- Jesus Christ, I just got these ones to fit.

That's how I feel now. It's like losing your phone and having to get a new one. Jesus fucking christ.. The last thing I want at this age, and consistency, and stability is a new fucking boot.

So when you chaps chime in about how shitty these new releases are, I kinda soak in it. "Yeah, maybe I'm good for another round of nuance."

I ski a completely stock boot (Hawx Ultra XTD and RS) Heat mold the liner, drop in my footbed and go. I do change their strap out for a booster because I prefer it inside the cuff. I will say it's a fairly new revelation coming from Lange's that needed some work.

I even use Atomic's liners over Zip Fits.

I used to hate buying new boots. I'd love to try a cabrio, but why fuck with such a good thing?

[SnowMachine]

pretty sure it was touted on the hawx at one point.

The Ultra RS comes out of the box with one spine bolt and a plug in the other hole. I ski mine like that.

[stuckathuntermtn]

So it has toe pins but no walk mode. Do I have that right?
It looks like someone kidnapped a Dalbello designer and forced then to do this; a la the Soviet Union and German scientists after the war.

[GoldenBC]

Safe assumption is that there is an adjustable/removable wedge that goes inside a V cut in the top of the lower clog a la Kryptons.

As per bolts changing the flex of the boot... flex is more than just plastic stiffness. Is plastic stiffness fundamentally the most important part of it? Yes. But not the only. Removing a bolt changes the leverage over the spine and also increases the ability for minutes deformations that allow flex. It's semantics. Take out a bolt and your boot feels softer.

[CYJ]

Hey stealie, if you’re unhappy with the new dalbello cabrio, you should give the Roxa Element a try or the Rthree for a hybrid. The last is probably better than the Krypton or Lupo. Great performance and a little lighter.

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How's the instep height on the Roxas? Seems lower than Kryptons, and 45 deg cables also crush my instep/arches, took a lot of tension during 2 rounds of heat molding to compress and thin out the area over the instep to be tolerable for Kryptons.

Also, does the foam along the sole of their liner cause any issues? Last time I had a liner like that, I swear the fit changed depending on how cold it was outside even after heat molding.

Oh and I too would like to send a middle finger to Dalbello for axing the Kryptons

[CYJ]

i know one thing for sure: they haven't done a good job explaining the "technology" that may or may not exist and how it may or may not work. did they let tanner have free reign over the marketing material for this thing?

I'm sure engineers and tech guys probably do a fair amount of cringing inside when they have to deal with marketing, but I also imagine Hans over at Armada is cringing on a different level.

[Crystal Skier]

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Yep interesting…Salomon moved that buckle back and provided both heel hold and some high instep relief.
Would like to know the weight.



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[tenB]

It has changed the rebound for sure but the flex has not changed. You can’t change how plastic flex’s by removing a screw

Respectfully disagree. Removing a cuff bolt decreases the leverage from the spine and therefore makes the boot feel like it has a softer flex. Flex ratings have nothing to do with the plastic used. They are entirely subjective with each manufacturer with no scientific standard. It comes down to how the boot feels and what fits with the marketing dept.

[FloridaSnow]

So it has toe pins but no walk mode. Do I have that right?
It looks like someone kidnapped a Dalbello designer and forced then to do this; a la the Soviet Union and German scientists after the war.

its becoming more common to have this set up. The k2 team recon use the same set up as well as the Cortex. I believe atomic has one coming this way as well. Some people want tech toes but don’t want to lose the performance due to a walk mode.

[beeshbeesh]

Safe assumption is that there is an adjustable/removable wedge that goes inside a V cut in the top of the lower clog a la Kryptons.

As per bolts changing the flex of the boot... flex is more than just plastic stiffness. Is plastic stiffness fundamentally the most important part of it? Yes. But not the only. Removing a bolt changes the leverage over the spine and also increases the ability for minutes deformations that allow flex. It's semantics. Take out a bolt and your boot feels softer.

Yep. I bet one of those bolts adjusts forward lean, while the other twists a wedge tight in the back where the upper clog comes up on each side. My old lupo's had the drop in clips that did this, but my sister had a kyrpton with a bolt twist that did the same thing.

[tompietrowski]

Respectfully disagree. Removing a cuff bolt decreases the leverage from the spine and therefore makes the boot feel like it has a softer flex. Flex ratings have nothing to do with the plastic used. They are entirely subjective with each manufacturer with no scientific standard. It comes down to how the boot feels and what fits with the marketing dept.

Well we base the flex on the materials used so that is why we say it does not change the actual flex of the boot. Yes the feeling changes but the flex itself does not change. But ultimately if a shop wants to sell it as a flex adjust that is fine we just will not say it as it is not technically correct.

[XavierD]

It has changed the rebound for sure but the flex has not changed. You can’t change how plastic flex’s by removing a screw

Flex isn’t really defined outside of perceived resistance and response to forward pressure, so yeah it definitely changes the flex of a boot as a system. Does it change the energy required to deform the lower? No, but it definitely changes how much force a skier needs to “flex” forward into the boot.

In the giant history of modern boot manufacturing multiple brands have released the same boot under two different ‘flexes’ where the primary difference is liner and an extra bolt in the back.