Do you detune? Why or why not?

[whyturn]

Yeah I did on my Mfree and it makes it so easy to slide in the pow Edges are useless in powder


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[PB]

Useless as in neutral - sure. But I've skied 3.0/0.5 on powder and it did not seem to have a negative effect. Perhaps on a <80 mm carver in powder, but I'm not sure you could separate the primary issue of the narrow waist away from the possible effect of sharp tips and tails I couldn't). De-tune if it makes you happy. I like having fully tuned edges for the mostly harder snow I'm on.

[El Chupacabra]

Because sharp edges will affect the skis behavior in soft snow as well. But if yer happy, stay happy!

I don't see how sharp edges make any difference in a foot of pow.

But if there's scraped off or groomer back to the chair, then sharp edges on a pow ski can be useful.

[stuckathuntermtn]

Do you guys really get more aggressive than gummy stone along the rocker? Do some of you really not do that?!

[whyturn]

I ski roughly eighty percent powder so I’m willing to give up groomer for loose on pow


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[J. Barron DeJong]

I ski roughly eighty percent powder so I’m willing to give up groomer for loose on pow


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And you don’t turn, so I guess edges don’t matter that case.

[SnowMachine]

I go full file on the part of the ski that will never touch hard snow. I taper that down into the contact points where I'll just run a gummi stone. The rest of the ski I leave sharp.

I'll be honest, a few weeks in and my daily drivers are dull until they get a base grind and full tune. I ride over so many rocks that deburring the edges effectively detunes the whole ski. Its just part of skiing where I ski. The racers here would be horrified.

I have 1 set of skis that I keep sharp (between contact points) and won't ride into those zones. Those are for truly icy days.

I've skied both Line and Atomic with the boat tips/tails (convex). They're super surfy in pow. You just don't need edges up there.

[stuckathuntermtn]

Deburring your edges shouldn't dull them. I think you might be doing it wrong.

[chaka]

reading this thread I thought it was July for a moment

[AlpiNord]

Do you guys really get more aggressive than gummy stone along the rocker? Do some of you really not do that?!

Yes, but gummies are not 'aggressive' enough:



(PO'd post ACL surgery 'tip detuning'. Ski tip caught a submerged log.)

You definitely do not want to have anything close to sharp edges around tips & tails and then ease the edge to contact points. From there, I do not automatically detune from contact point until I feel the skis on the snow. Then use a pocket stone (or gummy) and work a little section at a time until it feels right.

[Mustonen]

Guess I’ll try once more…. Detune strategies are great. Lots of good comments here about that. None of it useful for me personally because I prefer a long ski that’s sharp from tip to tail. That’s all beside the point though.

I’m just asking why. You and I ski the same ski in the same length on the same run in the same conditions at the same speed. You can assume you did it in a more rad way than me if that helps. You detune a few inches past the contact points, I sharpen everything I can see, both of us are happy, why? Does one of us lean back? Does one of us unweight differently? Does one of us have more leverage over the ski due to height/weight? Does one of us lead or steer differently? Does one of us have softer boots?

Not looking for anything precise, this is just one of those things I’ve never been able to theorize on in a way that feels confident.

[Mustonen]

i think a lot of it comes down to how much a ski is flexed. if someone is flexing short of or at the contact point, having the rest of those edges detuned will help them feel a more predictable release.

This is interesting. Do you think a sharp tip and/or tail makes it easier or harder to bend the ski into an arc? I sort of wonder whether extra leverage helps you bend the middle of the ski, leading to the unintuitive (but anecdotally borne out in my own experience) conclusion that a long stiff ski can be easier to arc than a short stiff ski.

[normie17]

Guess I’ll try once more…. Detune strategies are great. Lots of good comments here about that. None of it useful for me personally because I prefer a long ski that’s sharp from tip to tail. That’s all beside the point though.

I’m just asking why. You and I ski the same ski in the same length on the same run in the same conditions at the same speed. You can assume you did it in a more rad way than me if that helps. You detune a few inches past the contact points, I sharpen everything I can see, both of us are happy, why? Does one of us lean back? Does one of us unweight differently? Does one of us have more leverage over the ski due to height/weight? Does one of us lead or steer differently? Does one of us have softer boots?

Not looking for anything precise, this is just one of those things I’ve never been able to theorize on in a way that feels confident.

the ski releases out of the turn easier and has less of an "on-off" edge feel.

[Mustonen]

the ski releases out of the turn easier and has less of an "on-off" edge feel.

Right. I get the concept. But is it only that some of us like it rough and fast and some of us want candlelight and a bottle of wine?

[Self Jupiter]

I like having some edge I can use, but I absolutely hate anything that makes a ski feel more grabby than I feel like it should. Even in New England.

[Shorty_J]

My reckoner 112 were borderline unskiable until I put them through 4 or 5 sessions of progressively more detune, and now they are amazing.

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[MagnificentUnicorn]

Different strokes for different folks


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[pfluffenmeister]

Yeah, I pretty much never detune.

[SnowMachine]

Deburring your edges shouldn't dull them. I think you might be doing it wrong.

It's not the deburring.... It's the dragging them across rocks.

Reading. You may be doing it wrong.

[Shorty_J]

Yeah, I pretty much never detune.

You have some HL skis right?

They are definitely detuned.

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[normie17]

Right. I get the concept. But is it only that some of us like it rough and fast and some of us want candlelight and a bottle of wine?

I like to be able to break the ski free from its turn if needed. I want to steer the ski instead of it steering me.

[Mustonen]

I like to be able to break the ski free from its turn if needed. I want to steer the ski instead of it steering me.

So are you suggesting it’s my superior ability to break a ski free from its turn that explains the difference between us?

[TAFKALVS]

I think it comes down to where you ski and how you ski. Low moisture content snow (in my experience) doesn’t really matter what tune your ski has. But you really notice it in high moisture snow

[Djongo Unchained]

Right. I get the concept. But is it only that some of us like it rough and fast and some of us want candlelight and a bottle of wine?

Id say yeah, that's pretty much it.

Detuning is fine tuning.

[Self Jupiter]

So are you suggesting it’s my superior ability to break a ski free from its turn that explains the difference between us?

No, it’s my ability to ski faster and with more aplomb that allows me to get some edge out of a more dull tune. Powerrrrrr

And what LVS and Djongo said.