salomon strive 11 DEMO

[cobblehiller]

I have salomon strive 11 DEMO bindings in box, no shops around here think they have the Jig. Looked through the binding freedom site , couldn't find a paper template for them. Can anyone Help ?

[SkiLyft]

Most demo clamps have big ass plates you can just set on the ski and use a sharpie to mark the holes for drilling.


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[skinipenem]

Similar issue here with strive 13 gw DEMO. Terry, at slidewright and I are working out measurements and a jig. I'll reply here when we are successful. Might take until the end of the week given the holidays.

Does anyone know the hole pattern for the strive? Perhaps, sth2 toe and warden 11 heel (i think I saw that mentioned on the Interweb, but not a reliable source. )

Note: there is a strive thread already.


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[Going Coastal]

One of my kids has Strive 13 Demos mounted by REI judging by the sticker. Broke out the calipers and got:

Toe: 30x75
Rear toe to center: 140
Center to fwd heal: 142
Heal: 30x80

I checked that fwd pressure and boot center were good, but recommend a 2x4 check obviously.

[AlpiNord]

One of my kids has Strive 13 Demos mounted by REI judging by the sticker. Broke out the calipers and got:

Toe: 30x75
Rear toe to center: 140
Center to fwd heal: 142
Heal: 30x80

I checked that fwd pressure and boot center were good, but recommend a 2x4 check obviously.

I just found this thread. I imported the Strive Demo template from Tom Hawkins' library, the Strive Demo measurements are as shown here:



The message I sent to skinipenem:

I imported Tom’s file and it ‘matches’ the Warden 11 Demo layout tool’s heels I’ve been making with no complaints so far. It’s off by 0.5mm on the side to side measurement and 0.5mm on the heel holes. This makes me wonder if our tool has been off that amount BUT I also wonder why the holes would not be located at a whole mm dimension vs 0.5mm.

Please double check side to side dimensions & fore and aft:
Toes: 29.5mm (vs 30mm) x 75mm
Heels: 29.5 (vs 30mm) x 80.5mm (vs 80mm)

There also seems to be a discrepancy from toe (136mm) & heel holes (144mm) to what I assume is the mounting line per Tom's template vs Going Coastal's measurements.

Edit: for 'cross-polination', check out this thread.

[Spyderjon]

The Strive 16 MN and the Strive 14 MN use the STH/STH2/Warden 13 jig.

The Stage 10/11 and the Strive 12/14 use the Warden 11/Warden 11 Demo jig.

The Strive 11 Demo and the Strive 13 Demo use the Easytrak jig.

Simples!

[AlpiNord]

The Strive 16 MN and the Strive 14 MN use the STH/STH2/Warden 13 jig.

The Stage 10/11 and the Strive 12/14 use the Warden 11/Warden 11 Demo jig.

The Strive 11 Demo and the Strive 13 Demo use the Easytrak jig.

Simples!

Can you confirm the above dimensional request?

BTW and the whole point of these requests is that not everyone has access to ski shops, much less jigs:

The items that I’ve bought from you have allowed me to mount several pairs of skis. That’s especially important since the nearest ski shop is 50+ miles away.

Looks like NFFC is looking good and having a great season so far!

[Going Coastal]

There also seems to be a discrepancy from toe (136mm) & heel holes (144mm) to what I assume is the mounting line per Tom's template vs Going Coastal's measurements.

I just double checked the center/heel and got the same measurement I posted, could maybe even be convinced its 141 at the heel. Admittedly, my eyes are bad, I'm using some analog calipers and trying to best estimate the center of already mounted screwheads, and apparently I forgot how to spell heel; but 144 was way over when I locked the caliper at that.

I could easily see 29.5 vs 30, but all the other solomon mounts I've done were 30 and isnt really logical. But .5mm is probably within my range of error.

[AlpiNord]

I just double checked the center/heel and got the same measurement I posted, could maybe even be convinced its 141 at the heel. Admittedly, my eyes are bad, I'm using some analog calipers and trying to best estimate the center of already mounted screwheads, and apparently I forgot how to spell heel; but 144 was way over when I locked the caliper at that.

I could easily see 29.5 vs 30, but all the other solomon mounts I've done were 30 and isn't really logical. But .5mm is probably within my range of error.

Thanks. The BSC is correct for your kid's mount at: 'Rear toe to center: 140 Center to fwd heel: 142/141?

From: skinipenem

Toes: 29.5mm x 75mm Heels: 30 x 80.5mm
Strange to have the half millimeter significant figures.

Again, the original Warden 11 template, the basis for our layout tool is 30mm x 80mm and we've had no issues. I can't get my head around why they would not simply locate the holes at full mm dimensions. Personally. 0.5mm is not going to ruin my day and is within a practical margin of error for most humans. Some will think the sky will fall, but it makes more sense. I'll adjust if skinipenem finds issues with a test mount using the new tool.

Regarding measuring holes, measuring to the same side of holes gives you and 'edge' to measure to vs trying to eyeball a center. That could easily be off by 0.5mm. Also, adding a diagonal measurement provides another data point:

[AlpiNord]

I was contacted by someone (who was having trouble setting up an account):

Hey Terry - saw someone reference on TGR that you were working on a strive 13 demo template. Have benefited from your info in the past, so wanted to pass along the template/measurements I've used for a few successful mounts. Can't seem post since I just created a forum account, but figured I'd pass along to you if you're able to share. Measurements that worked for me are:
Toe: 4 holes 30mm wide x 75mm apart, midsole line to closer holes is 138mm
Heel: 4 holes 30mm wide x 80mm apart, midsole line to closer holes is 142mm

The template adjustment are as shown above and here:

[Going Coastal]

You can probably disregard my numbers at this point. I looked up the BSL since it wasn't marked on the boot (Salomon Quest Pro 28.5, 318 according to Evo) which is not what the binding is set for by the numbers even though the boot is properly centered with good fwd pressure.

Just another reason to mount your own fucking skis I guess, but at least it's a demo and she can make it work as long as it's on the centerline.

Sorry for the misinformation, promise I was just trying to be helpful.

[AlpiNord]

You can probably disregard my numbers at this point. I looked up the BSL since it wasn't marked on the boot (Salomon Quest Pro 28.5, 318 according to Evo) which is not what the binding is set for by the numbers even though the boot is properly centered with good fwd pressure.

Just another reason to mount your own fucking skis I guess, but at least it's a demo and she can make it work as long as it's on the centerline.

Sorry for the misinformation, promise I was just trying to be helpful.

I thought it was helpful and provided more data. As noted, since these are not on rails, the adjustable toes & heels do have a considerable adjustment range.

Part of the process is to measure the actual BSL and mark the BSC (BSL/2). If the bindings were set on heel & toe @ 320, where does her BSC hit relative to the holes & 'presumed mounting line'?

[Going Coastal]

If I set the binding to the correct numbers it puts them too close together. The toe is on the 319-326 setting, and the heel is on the 325-332 setting. The forward pressure indicator is smack in the middle and the boot is pretty centered by my eye. Certainly not worth a remount, but will definitely explain to her what's going on in case she ever sells them or changes boots.

[AlpiNord]

FWIW & to keep things synched:

I very recently had some Strive 13 Demos mounted on MX88 at a local shop that services the several private ski clubs up here, and has a good retail shop, ski / race service, etc.

I measured one of the mounts just now with my digital calipers.
I measured from the sides of the mounting screws, which can surely have some measurement play based on if the screw went in a bit of an angle.

For the width, I'd have to go with 29.5mm like @tomahawkins ( you'd think they would go for an even 30mm )
For the toe spacing I have 75mm, and for the heel spacing 80mm.
For the centre mark I have 140mm for both heel and toe.

When my boot is in, its centre mark lines up with the ski's centre mark ( close enough, as the slider stops have measurement wiggle room ).
( plus / minus a couple mm on the centre mark is of little consequence )

[ARL67]

^^^ that's me quoted above.
Whether the width is 29.5 or 30mm, that's only 0.25mm difference each way.
My in-exact placement of the center punch, or where the pilot drill bit actually starts to bite, whether the drill is 100% perpendicular to the ski, etc, has greater error than 0.25mm.
I'd go with 30mm as that's a nice round number, and who would design something to be 29.5mm ? ( they need a slap if they did so )