Is the US going to Annex Canada? by force? or just destroy the Canadian Econ for fun

[CascadeLuke]

Canada should shut down energy to the red states next Sunday during the Super Bowl. Just the late afternoon thru evening. A little shot across the bow.
~Pass that along to the powers that be, neighbors.

[ex-powderbroker]

Trudeau sounded good the other day and I hope he doesn’t cede one fucking cm on this trade war in the call tomorrow. Canadians seem pretty united on this and while Im sure the bot farms are going to show up for Trump and Elon’s favorite PPuppet we need brains and backbone here, not empty slogans. It’s asking a lot from JT to do much of anything since the only thing he really excels at is disappointing people and flushing political capital but hopefully he can made some amends during this crisis before there’s a new government.

Fuck Trump and the people that think that he’s bringing an enviable model of governance here. And especially anyone that wants to “team up”.

[CascadeLuke]

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[DougW]

ok I'm responding to MV who wasn't wrong but , my quote function doesn't work anymore

From EIA
For the better part of two decades, Canada has exported significantly more electricity to the United States than it imported. However, in the fall of 2023, electricity trade between the two countries became more balanced. The shift was due partly to Canada’s reduced hydropower generation, the country’s primary source of electricity generation, as drought conditions reduced inflow to reservoirs in western Canada. In addition, lower natural gas prices in the United States reduced power prices, making U.S. electricity more competitive.

Monthly average exports from the United States to Canada in 2023 increased 70% on a year-over-year basis to 1,809 gigawatthours (GWh), while monthly average imports from Canada to the United States decreased by 36% to 3,315 GWh. In 2023, the United States remained a net importer of Canada’s power on an annual basis, but the amount of electricity received fell sharply from 42 terawatthours (TWh) in 2022 to 15 TWh in 2023. The decline in imports from Canada was large enough that by September 2023 the United States switched to become a net electricity exporter to Canada, which continued for five of the next nine months, according to EIA’s Quarterly Electricity Imports and Exports Report.

Electricity exchanges across the United States and Canada—historically each other’s largest electricity trading partners—remain relatively small, representing less than 1% of their respective total generation. However, the trade is important to grid balancing—constantly matching electricity consumption to electricity production—and helping to shore up electricity supply during low hydropower production periods particularly on the western coast of Canada.

The value of power sales from Canada to the United States totaled $3.2 billion in 2023, nearly 30% less than in 2022. In contrast, electricity exports from the United States to Canada increased $454.5 million in 2023 to $1.2 billion. Average prices for the export of electricity from Canada to the United States were higher in 2023 despite an overall decline in total value due to the greater share of exports from Canada under contracts. On the other hand, average prices for electricity from the United States to Canada were lower in 2023 compared with 2022 because most sales were under interruptible contracts and were able to take advantage of favorable economics last year.

Cross-border trade in electricity
Power transmission lines linking the United States and Canada are part of a complex and highly interconnected power system, with connections spanning from New England to the Pacific Northwest. Those connections help smooth the delivery of power within three of the four major interconnections in North America, and in turn they help ensure system reliability and access to economical sources of supply.

Most of the electricity delivered to the United States from Canada comes from provincial power corporations and their affiliates. Among the largest players are British Columbia Hydro and Power Authority (BC Hydro), Hydro Quebec, and Ontario’s Hydro One, which all have wholesale trading divisions and subsidiaries in charge of power exchanges with the United States.

[ironhippy]

Many Canadians are canceling trips to the US. I'd suspect nationals of other countries against whom the US has declared economic war may feel the same way.

My family was planning on going to the south west US in November. We hadn't purchased tickets or anything yet, but we are already talking about going to somewhere in Canada or Europe instead.

[leroy jenkins]

colonizer fighting colonizers over stolen land. same old same old.

canada had colonies?

[MultiVerse]

Just for what it's worth in a general sense, trade is about relative size and comparative advantage. Canada exports roughly six times more energy to American than it imports. It would seem like Canada's energy exports matter more to America. The key point is America's economy is thirteen times bigger. On a relative basis those export/imports are more significant in the smaller economy relative to its size than in the larger economy.

This means if the larger economy's GDP is 13X, the smaller economy's GDP is X. And if Canadian energy exports are 6Y then net trade is 6Y - Y = 5Y. So you get something like (5Y/X) contribution from trade for Canada's economy but only (5Y/13X) contribution to America's economy. (5Y/X) / (5Y/13X) = 13

This is all back of the envelope algebra so don't put to much weight on it. But the takeaway is even though Canada exports more energy than it imports, the product is 13 times more significant for the smaller economy relative to its size than in the larger economy.

[liv2ski]

Canada FUCK YA!

Ford 'ripping up' Ontario's $100M contract with Elon Musk's Starlink in wake of U.S. tariffs
Ontario to ban contracts with American companies until tariffs removed, Ford says

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...link-1.7448763

[MultiVerse]

Stupider by the day: NYT reports Mexico says it reached deal to delay Trump tariffs. Just Kayfabe performative populism. Mexico says it's sending 10,000 troops to the U.S. border to help stop drug trafficking and Trump agreed to pause tariffs on Mexico

[Cisco Kid]

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The whole reason for the Trump tariffs was to take the eyes of the news reporting off of what leon is doing with his gang.</p>

[DougW]

Canada needs to give a win to trump of course meaningless. In the border measures did they include changing the visa requirements on 3rd world countries? That actually would be a meaningful thing. These links are very objective to issues, haven't seen anything close on US media.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1T851sg9zI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsNQuCyBvUY&t=242s

[jackstraw]

Posting this in this thread also.
Left on our rental car outside of Nelson yesterday.

[bennymac]

If someone in Canada wanted to smuggle fentanyl into the US would they have to fool the Canada border guards or the US border guards?

[The AD]

Left on our rental car outside of Nelson yesterday

Proves there's fucking idiots everywhere.

[dan_pdx]

Hmm, our upcoming trip to Red should be interesting. Hope there's a garage

[m2711c]

US border guards are absolute pricks. Never had any hassles going into Canada. Have had many hassles coming back to my own fucking country. And not one of those times was I actually breaking any fucking rules.

[Peruvian]

It’s amazing when you are a good neighbor to the world that you don’t have the same security concerns as your bully neighbor to the south.

[bad dancer]

Solid Canadian speach by Trudeau but he really should just send a shit tonne of troops to the border to appease the orange turd in a show of "strength" and then quietly and slowly remove them. Orange stain will be fixated on some other shiny object by then and he will have forgotten about his first week of policies and and be on to the next stupid one and or be so entrenched in legal battles that it will be a distant memory. His track record for criminal bullshit preceeds him. Its going to be a shitty 4 years indeed ! Remember that they are all just concepts of plans. Throw a bunch of shit on the wall and see what sticks seems to be his MO

[The AD]

Keep in mind dumbass Trump WANTS a reaction. He lives for this kind of thing.

[bagtagley]

Hmm, our upcoming trip to Red should be interesting. Hope there's a garage

At least you can count on a friendly warning before anything happens to your car.

[XXX-er]

" canada had colonies? "

Them Brits used to own most of the world so according to the Royal Proclamation of 1763 the brits were suposed to pay the FN for the land except by the time they got to BC they had run out of money or just hated them so much there is no treaty so BC is really FN land and its been a real problem for big companies trying TO rape the land

Ron my Gitxsan buddy wants to take Trumps scalp

There isnt a Fugee/ Fentynal problem on the Canada BC boirder, Again this emergency thing is just a way for Trump to do an end run around Congress

[LeeLau]

Hmm, our upcoming trip to Red should be interesting. Hope there's a garage

Nobody's going to trash your car. Don't be silly. They might say sorry, sarcastically

[frorider]

https://archive.ph/lgQmV

[atree]

“Nobody's going to trash your car. Don't be silly. They might say sorry, sarcastically”

I’ve been wondering about this. On a trip just after one of Bush’s elections, so either 2001 or 2005, in a 10 day trip in the coast range we had a tire slashed at one trailhead and car broken into and door left open at another (that one really sucked because we made it back to car after a few day traverse and were tired, hungry and remote and the battery was dead from dome light). That ended up being an adventure.

The RMP and a waitress in Squamish both apologized and had similar takes on it, that we were being hazed for the election.

I’ve been thinking that folks’ cars are going to get thrashed this winter.

Myself and virtually everyone I know are all absolutely sick about what is going on in the US. It’s a failed democracy.

[dan_pdx]

(reply to LeeLau)

I hope people realize that most of the idiots who support Trump and his policies never leave the US. Maybe I should get a blue baseball hat that says "make America not enthralled by a wannabe fascist dictator again." You know, MANEWFDA