Is the US going to Annex Canada? by force? or just destroy the Canadian Econ for fun

[J. Barron DeJong]

Canada talking about slapping 100% tariffs on Tesla: https://www.businesstoday.in/world/c...097-2025-02-01 Also talking about targeting specific industries in red states.

[evdog]

A way better fit






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[alive]

10% tariffs for China and 25% tariffs on Canada. Obviously a lot of upset people but there is a sense of betrayal that is rarely seen or felt up here. It is an active, deliberate step taking by Trump that has nothing to do with fentanyl or border security. That’s what worries me the most and why this is so different than just a trade dispute.

One odd move here in BC is they are pulling off all American liquor off the shelves from red states? Half a bottle left of Makers mark in the cabinet. Not sure whether to save it or get rid of it all tonight.[emoji28]


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[XXX-er]

From a Canuck academic type bud in florida of all places

The reason the official statement mentions Canadian flows of drugs and migrants is not because these are actual issues. In order to exercise presidential powers to impose tariffs, Trump needs to operate under what are called emergency economic powers. Trump can only impose tariffs in the context of a national emergency, otherwise trade policy needs to be negotiated through regular political channels in the US Congress (the US Constitution is unambiguous that tariffs are under the jurisdiction of the Congress). Despite how horrifyingly bold Trump is in his actions, he actually has a very weak hold on Congress (there are 435 seats, and the Republican majority is only 5 seats). His tariffs plan is controversial, even among conservatives, as it will be economically devastating. Thus, he would struggle to act this boldly through Congress. He wants to make extreme gestures and break relationships and he needs the cover that a declared emergency gives him.merica will collect tarrif revenue BUT the economic slowdown will cost billions

I supose the question IS how long can trump operate under " emergency economic powers "

and the good news is that I was able to alter a post with this ^^ last question

[dunfree]

10% tariffs for China and 25% tariffs on Canada. Obviously a lot of upset people but there is a sense of betrayal that is rarely seen or felt up here. It is an active, deliberate step taking by Trump that has nothing to do with fentanyl or border security. That’s what worries me the most and why this is so different than just a trade dispute. One odd move here in BC is they are pulling off all American liquor off the shelves from red states? Half a bottle left of Makers mark in the cabinet. Not sure whether to save it or get rid of it all tonight.[emoji28] Sent from my iPhone using TGR Forums

Odd? Punch Trumpers in the nuts hard, fast, and often. They don't have much for balls, but it's the only language they understand.

[J. Barron DeJong]

My understanding is that Congress gave those tariff powers to the president by law, and they can take it away by law as well, if they choose to.

[DougW]

Canada talking about slapping 100% tariffs on Tesla: https://www.businesstoday.in/world/c...097-2025-02-01 Also talking about targeting specific industries in red states.

What is the end game? I can't get my mind around it.

a.Punitive - pissed of that Canada didn't reach defense spending of 2% and to be made an example off, How long will they last? How much pain

b the 51st is real now in his mind anyway , hold Canada under the water board until it says uncle? But there would have to be a referendum as Canada is a sovereign democratic country so that is a complication. But maybe Trump thinks Canada doesn't to get democracy as we're too small etc. Maybe democracy isn't part of his thoughts as he's not a fan. But how long would it take the Canadian people to bend the knee. What kind of citizens would you get if they became Americans that way?

c I've seen one theory that if he fucks about enough m Canada Greenland etc NATO will just end and be reformed without USA. That way he gets rid on NATO without going through congress.

d any others

[dunfree]

lol. Donthecon and Elontheaddict have no endgame, it's why they are here.

[LeeLau]

We got screwed 2x in a decade on carefully thoroughly bargained trade agreements.

A reasonable conclusion is that (i) the US's word has no meaning; and/or (ii) the US 's word changes every 4 years so effectively has no long-term meaning.

At this point query why Canada shouldn't seek longer-term partnerships with other powers. Europe for example. Perhaps even China.

China you raise your eyebrows? Sure they can't be trusted either. However they think much longer-term. At least you know what to expect

[J. Barron DeJong]

“ In fairness to the incoming president, there is no reason to think that he has any of these precedents in his head. What he has, instead, is a deeply rooted sense that the world is a fundamentally zero-sum place and that American greatness means that others must be diminished. His zero-sum, social Darwinistic intuitions are echoes of an earlier age of reactionary aggression and shameless avarice. There is no such thing for Trump as a positive exchange or a mutually beneficial relationship. There is only winning and losing, the dominant and the dominated.” https://bsky.app/profile/jamelleboui.../3lh63jo6lfk2f
Edit: this was in response to DougW

[evdog]

b the 51st is real now in his mind anyway , hold Canada under the water board until it says uncle? But there would have to be a referendum as Canada is a sovereign democratic country so that is a complication. But maybe Trump thinks Canada doesn't to get democracy as we're too small etc. Maybe democracy isn't part of his thoughts as he's not a fan. But how long would it take the Canadian people to bend the knee. What kind of citizens would you get if they became Americans that way?

I'm not sure it would turn out the way Orange man thinks it will. I say Canada should agree to join the US. We have 10 provinces and 3 territories. Even if only the 10 provinces become states, that is 20 senators and a bunch of seats in Congress. Assuming the number of seats stays fixed at 435 and get reapportioned, Canada would get 10.5% or 46 seats based on 40M and 340M populations. Even though Canada's urban/rural split is similar to the US, Canada is a much more liberal country overall with some very different beliefs when it comes to values like equality and human rights. If the political structure remained a two party system I'd think the majority of those House and Senate seats would go to the Democrats and give them a substantial margin in the House, the Senate, and the Presidency. Canada can then fix the US, and secede back to being it's own country. Win/win.

[frorider]

Yes XXXer, he needs to pretend it’s an emergency situation. Weirdly though most news sources aren’t reporting that seized Fentanyl at Canadian border was minuscule last year, like 25 lbs.

[byates1]

Jong you forgot the mandatory bsky link in one of your posts above. Double check and make sure every post has a bsky link.

[frorider]

What’s with your blue sky fixation? Back in the day Twitter was the usual reference for this type of discussion, now it’s migrating to blue sky….so what? This forum has a lot of NYT links too….so what?

[smmokan]

We got screwed 2x in a decade on carefully thoroughly bargained trade agreements.

A reasonable conclusion is that (i) the US's word has no meaning; and/or (ii) the US 's word changes every 4 years so effectively has no long-term meaning.

At this point query why Canada shouldn't seek longer-term partnerships with other powers. Europe for example. Perhaps even China.

China you raise your eyebrows? Sure they can't be trusted either. However they think much longer-term. At least you know what to expect

The US’ word hasn’t meant anything for a long, long time.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Maybe Trump and his MAGAtards have been watching too much South Park

[XXX-er]

Apparently the American national anthem was booed at an NHL hockey game

this 51st state thing is not gaining traction

I'm actualy suprised at how P.O.ed Canadians are

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tru...ry-1-1.7447829

and JT announces tarrifs

[XXX-er]

Apparently the American national anthem was booed at an NHL hockey game

this 51st state thing is not gaining traction

I'm actualy suprised at how P.O.ed Canadians are

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tru...ry-1-1.7447829

and JT announces tarrifs

[Thaleia]

Buckle up b/c unfortunately the EU is next. Let us all hope that the courts strike it all down. Next, Americans and American allies should discuss the laws and premises under which these tariffs are being imposed. It's probably a bad idea for a single entity absent checks & balances to have sole authority implementing such destructive economic policies

Tim Hortons is Canadian?! (it isn't)

[LeeLau]

Another useful side for Made in Canada products https://madeinca.ca/

[XXX-er]

Canada talking about slapping 100% tariffs on Tesla: https://www.businesstoday.in/world/c...097-2025-02-01 Also talking about targeting specific industries in red states.

pretty easy to goggle, Timmy Ho's is owned by burgerking

[MultiVerse]

Can't help but wonder if this is Kayfabe with Trump hoping the courts strike it all down so that he has an enemy to rail against. The border wall getting stymied by congress, for example, helped him politically. This could be a The Mouse That Roared situation where none of the players actually want it to happen, but it still happens anyway

[J. Barron DeJong]

pretty easy to goggle, Timmy Ho's is owned by burgerking

I assume this was supposed to be quoting someone else?

[J. Barron DeJong]

“ What's the end game here? Trump doesn't want anything. He just want the tariffs. He's convinced they can raise vast sums of money that will let him enact tax cuts later this year, and he likes that. That's it. There's no theory of the case. There's no underlying rationale. There's no 4-D chess. He just wants the money, and he either doesn't know or doesn't care that he's raising it from Americans, not foreigners.And why Canada, Mexico, and China? For the same reason Willie Sutton robbed banks: because that's where the money is. Those three countries account for nearly half of all US imports, so they're the ones that got held up.There's no need to overthink this.“ https://jabberwocking.com/what-does-trump-really-want/

[XXX-er]

Not sure whats going on but I just goggled my son ( sharp kid) always called it Timmy Ho's

it takes about 30 seconds with a sharp google to find Burger king owns Timmy Ho so here you go

https://flavorycooking.com/who-owns-tim-hortons/