Heritage Lab BC90

[OttoP]

I'm about the same size as you and a bit lighter, I have the 184. I wouldn't go shorter unless you were exclusively looking for a tight couloir ski.

Does someone have a comparison of the 184 BC90 and a 190 Raven?

I'm a bit taller and heavier than you guys and feel like the 190 Raven is just about right. It's quite fine for my firm snow ski needs, but maybe a bit unnecessarily wide. I had the 184cm MTN95 for a while and though a completely different genre of a ski, it felt short and too turny at speed. Seems like a 190ish version of the BC90 could be The spring ski?

[arild]

Does someone have a comparison of the 184 BC90 and a 190 Raven?

I'm a bit taller and heavier than you guys and feel like the 190 Raven is just about right. It's quite fine for my firm snow ski needs, but maybe a bit unnecessarily wide. I had the 184cm MTN95 for a while and though a completely different genre of a ski, it felt short and too turny at speed. Seems like a 190ish version of the BC90 could be The spring ski?

I'd suggest you try out the 184 bc90, if you know anyone with them. They're not turny, but will turn nicely if you tell them to.

Modeled as a miniature version of the fl113, btw. [emoji846]


Now, GFB needing fast skis and all, of course the drawings for these exist. I imagine Marshal needing many pledges to produce such a beast, though.

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[MagnificentUnicorn]

Does someone have a comparison of the 184 BC90 and a 190 Raven?

I'm a bit taller and heavier than you guys and feel like the 190 Raven is just about right. It's quite fine for my firm snow ski needs, but maybe a bit unnecessarily wide. I had the 184cm MTN95 for a while and though a completely different genre of a ski, it felt short and too turny at speed. Seems like a 190ish version of the BC90 could be The spring ski?

I have both the 184 c90 and 190 Raven. I’m 6’5” 240. They complement each other well. I use the Raven as an all around touring ski for mid winter days. I’m using the c90 as a late winter/spring touring ski.

I’ve skied the c90 in up to 6” of new snow over crust. Surprisingly floaty once you’re up to speed. Great edge grip for a full rocker ski. Really surfy in corn and soft wet spring snow. Very quiet for the weight.

I had them at -10 per HL recommended mount point but I moved them to -8 like my Ravens and that’s where I like them best for my style.


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[ASmileyFace]

Day one on the BC90s in the book (and first day since my accident back in the backcountry). Took some solo hot laps in a local hippie farm zone. Mostly good soft snow to play in, but a few weird crusts and wind skins as well. BC90s are awesome. Took a little getting used to, but they performed well on lap 3-5. In consistent soft snow they float up a lot more than I would have expected. Didn't really open it up at all, but the 177cm length feels slightly short? Need to play around with that a little more and see if I can get used to them.

[Norseman]

Congrats on the recovery, dude.

[oltrepiave]

please keep the on-field stoke coming, loving this

[CaliBrit]

Sounds like the consensus is minus eight or nine from center?

[ASmileyFace]

I was -9 on the 177cms reusing some holes and am around -8.5 on the 184cms now. Haven't had the 184cms out since Marshal swapped me out, but it seems like a lot of us are ending up in the -8/-9 range.

-9 felt good on the 177cms, but I think -8 might be mo better for me at least

[Marshal Olson]

Yeah, the feedback I have gotten is that -9.5 +/- 1.5cm is where folks are happiest on them.

As a side note, if anyone has the itch, there are a set of drilled twice 177 BC90, mounted with race bindings (heel track) for 310mm @ -9.5 and including some pomoca green 100% mohair skins that are dying to get on snow. LMK if you might be interested, happy to send more info.

[CaliBrit]

I went 84cm from tail. Which is -8.25 as the skis are 184.5 straight pull. Will have them on the resort hill tomorrow for a night skin.

[CaliBrit]

Groomer test only but they are great at this mount point. I certainly wouldn’t go further back. My mind might change once I get in some softer snow but I don’t think so.

[ASmileyFace]

Been a bit too busy to get out on a real skin recently, but put a couple 1k dog walk road skins on the 184cm the last few days. Mount point feels money so far. Need to get em out on a real ski soon, but should have an opportunity with these current low tide

[MagnificentUnicorn]

On Friday I skied a few runs in untracked cold snow with the BC ninety. Ranging from four to six inches over a grippy crust to boot top over a zipper crust on top of bottomless facets. These are really predictable and fun in deeper snow, especially if you get moving. Even in soft crud over soft skier packed snow closer to the ski area they’re quite fun. Really a great design. If HL made a one ninety one I could see using it as my primary winter touring ski. Not really necessary because that role has been filled by the bc one ten

[whatsupdoc]

Any word if there will be another run of these?


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[Marshal Olson]

Hey man, thanks for the interest. I look forward to pressing another batch of them, but the next run is not right around the corner as of now.

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[MagnificentUnicorn]

I wish I could see the pictures

[whatsupdoc]

Right on Marshal. I’ll keep an eye out. In the meantime if someone wants to unload a one seven seven I might be interested depending on condition and mounts.

[ASmileyFace]

I am considering moving on from my 184cm BC90s. This ski is a dream in a wide variety of conditions, but in this quiver slot I need something wider. DM me if you're interested and for mounting info.

[Rg2flp]

How is the grip while skinning with the BC90s? I just started skiing ravens after touring on deathwish tours for 3 years. Like how they ski much more but definitely noticed a bit of a reduction in skinning grip.

[strange meadow lark]

The HL BC rocker profile has less tail rocker than a raven and better grip. I can't really quantify how much better because I haven't skinned on a cambered ski in a while outside of true rockski season and get along fine skinning with full rocker. On any sort of proper set skintrack, I don't have any issues with HLs or even notice the rocker (not to say they would keep up going straight up refrozen at a resort, but why would you do that).

[ASmileyFace]

I have pomoca blues on mine and on normal skin tracks they are no problem. We've had a lot of dog shit icy skinners this season and ski crampons are clutch for those moments.

[Benneke10]

Sidehilling will be significantly easier on the BC90 due to the narrower width. The Raven is also a straight ski, but having a skinnier ski with a straighter sidecut on the BC90 makes it very capable on firm snow. The BC90 is noticeably better sidehilling than my BMT94s even, I guess 90mm is a magic width that skins really well and the tips are around 10mm narrower on the BC90 which makes it easier to engage the edges on the uphill.

[fleaches]

While I don't think the BC90s are particularly bad for skinning, I do find them more slippery on steep or icy skin tracks than the flatter BMT94s. I'm sure this is partly a reflection on my poor skinning technique, but now I even have the same skins on both skis and it's noticeable.

[Rg2flp]

Where do people feel like the BC90s excel most? Where do they fit into a quiver? Where do they suffer?