-- Freetour 2.0 - the 2024 CAST system thread - -

[Hot.tamale]

I received my upgrade kit a little over a week ago and I am very impressed with the new updates!

Man, do I appreciate how much easier they were to mount! With the Cast 1.0, my Line top shits volcanoed slightly during the mount causing the towers to misalign with the pedestals. It took me a minute to realize the topsheet was causing the issue. I should have done a bit more research on TGR before winging the mount haha. Luckily, this is now longer a problem with the 2.0’s.

I remember someone saying that the brake bail assembly was improved but it looks and operates very similar, if not the same.

It took me quite a while to gather all the equipment needed to tour safely so I didn’t get the chance to tour on the 1.0. I’ll be sharing my thoughts once I get the new system on snow. Feel free to pm me for a mount if you are located in OC, California. I also have the brake bail jig to make life easier.

[banzai]

Sadly they said to mail them in. I can't do that as I'm off on a ski trip (the purpose of the Casts in the first place) so I was forced to get a new pair of pivots. I just dropped the new toes on and kept my yellow/orange forza 1.0 heels.

When I am back, I will measure them with calipers and send the measurements to Cast. Might send them the bindings too, tbd. Sorry I don't have more for you!
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Hey man, did you follow through with this?
Anyone else with Forza 1.0 and CAST 2.0 experience?

[tupp_]

I have been told by CAST that this was a tolerance error from an early batch. I just bought new ones from the new production and I'll report back on fit soon!

EDIT: Tolerance error can sound bad, but it is more of a result of the early Forza towers being a different width than newer towers.

[banzai]

Okay, so I reached out to CAST and will quote for clarity:
"Last year when producing the 2.0 we thought we made the alpine pedestals for all year Pivots. Unfortunately we found out the tolerances on some of the older Pivots did work with the new design of the 2.0. For the 24/25 season we made some tolerance changes to the alpine pedestals so that they will work with all the year Pivots again. All Freetour 2.0 currently available on the market will work with any year Pivots."

Anyone done inserts yet? Trying to figure out what screws I might need for the base plates.

[grinch]

Okay, so I reached out to CAST and will quote for clarity:
"Last year when producing the 2.0 we thought we made the alpine pedestals for all year Pivots. Unfortunately we found out the tolerances on some of the older Pivots did work with the new design of the 2.0. For the 24/25 season we made some tolerance changes to the alpine pedestals so that they will work with all the year Pivots again. All Freetour 2.0 currently available on the market will work with any year Pivots."

Anyone done inserts yet? Trying to figure out what screws I might need for the base plates.

Thanks for posting that. Ive been wondering since the early days of this thread.
For screw size for inserts i often get them too long and cut to length. Cant miss that way

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[banzai]

I would prefer not to faff around with cutting screws if possible and just buy the right size. A caliper measurement of the base plate thickness would suffice too.

Blister dropped a review a few days ago:
https://blisterreview.com/at-binding...ouring-binding

[snoboy]

I inserted mine. I don't have the skis to hand here, but when I get a chance I will measure them and update.

[banzai]

Got my 2.0s and settled on 14 mm countersunk screws for the inserts, they give ~ 6mm protrusion. Only had enough screws at hand for a set of baseplates, so went with the Forza 1.0 to confirm the memo from CAST I posted earlier. All good on that front.

Toured them this morning. Initial impressions are good. They make life easier. When transitioning, I went full agro on purpose - no cleaning of ice and snow whatsoever, which is problematic with the CAST 1.0. They slided in nicely. Taking the alpine toes without gloves fucked up my thumb though, be warned.

[grinch]

^^good stuff, apart from the thumb. Notes taken!

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[lesssismore]

Hi. Does someone tour on CAST system with Tecnica 0G boots (Tour Pro, previous iteration) ? I am encountering serious problem when trying to enter the boot. The dildo doesn't snap frankly or it stays at mid travel. With other boots and the right setting it works nicely.
It seems the boot heel design isn't compatible with the Pivot dildo, as it pushes or touches it too much. Any insight?

[waxman]

Hi. Does someone tour on CAST system with Tecnica 0G boots (Tour Pro, previous iteration) ? I am encountering serious problem when trying to enter the boot. The dildo doesn't snap frankly or it stays at mid travel. With other boots and the right setting it works nicely.
It seems the boot heel design isn't compatible with the Pivot dildo, as it pushes or touches it too much. Any insight?

Common problem with Tecnica and Pivots. Arguably the heel shape is not to industry spec.

[lesssismore]

Thanks for the statement. I was getting mad or unsure about this feature.

[waveshello]

Thanks for the statement. I was getting mad or unsure about this feature.

Common problem with Tecnica and Pivots. Arguably the heel shape is not to industry spec.

Interesting. I have skied a few laps on a cast setup with my ZGTP and did not have problems stepping in, but the pivot heels chewed up the heel ledge on the boots some, enough to make me wonder what happened. I did not eject from them, so it was just from stepping in/out. Pics for science. I'll grab a pic of my boot heel in a bit.

[waveshello]

[L8APX]

I’m no expert on those boots/pivot combo but a sub full vertical heel usually is a result of too much forward pressure. Try backing off the forward pressure and see if you can get a firm snap on the heel without toe rattle.

[TahoeJosh]

The Pivot heels dig into my Scarpa 4Q’s, too. For the 4Q’s, at least, the issue happens when pushing down on the dildo to eject the boot. I think I read on another thread here a while ago that Pivots chew up grillamid heels a bit.

[waxman]

The Pivot heels dig into my Scarpa 4Q’s, too. For the 4Q’s, at least, the issue happens when pushing down on the dildo to eject the boot. I think I read on another thread here a while ago that Pivots chew up grillamid heels a bit.

I wasn't going to mention Scarpa because we don't see as many of them. It seems to have something to do with either the width of the heel against the wings or the Vibram/rubber sole compressing under the dildo.

[TahoeJosh]

I’ll take a pic when I get back home tomorrow. I don’t believe the issue is related to the shape of the heel, but maybe related to the vibram tread… it’s pretty easy to see how the heel cup pushes into the top of the lug when the dildo pushes down.


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[TahoeJosh]

Just got around to taking the pics. A couple notes: the Pivot 2.0 seems to dig in a bit more (it has a different heel geometry from the 1.0). The heel digs into the heel lugs of my PU boots as well (ProMachines and Firebirds) but the indentations on the PU lugs pop back out after a while, while my Scarpas now have seemingly permanent marks.




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[halliday]

Looks like you have way too much forward pressure on the heel piece. Using a boot with a tech heel insert it should look like this after two seasons.

[oetk2]

Agreed. The flat surface on the underside of the dildo should be sitting flush against the heel surface, not on an angle like it is in the 1st photo.

[halliday]

This is where your boot should sit before engaging the binding. Second pic is the forward pressure indicator. Sometimes it lines up, sometimes it doesn't.



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[halliday]

Your heel should have almost no contact with the heel receiving part of the dildo especially when you push your boot down and the brake arms raise up slightly. Less is more with a Pivot heel piece. If you are running too much forward pressure you are not letting the binding do what it was designed to do which is expand and contract as you ski. By applying too much forward pressure you have removed the elasticity from the binding.

[halliday]

Just got around to taking the pics. A couple notes: the Pivot 2.0 seems to dig in a bit more (it has a different heel geometry from the 1.0). The heel digs into the heel lugs of my PU boots as well (ProMachines and Firebirds) but the indentations on the PU lugs pop back out after a while, while my Scarpas now have seemingly permanent marks.




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Is the first picture of the boot locked into the binding?