Tyrolia Protector vs KneeBinding

[topher23]

Howdy Folks,

After riding my skis with KneeBinding for 10ish days for 3 seasons, I am looking for a replacement. The main two things that are causing me to look for a new binding are prerelease and stack height. They are difficult to clip in, but I don't mind.

• Prerelease - difficult to really pinpoint. Not sure if its the 'innovative' heel piece that is opening up early, or perhaps they bindings were mounted a bit too far apart and popping out, or something else. They definitely feel 'looser' this past winter on a pair of new skis. The heel piece definitely jiggles a bit when boot is not clipped in. So, in some capacity, not sure if they were mounted poorly, forward pressure is wrong, theyre getting old, or what's happening.
  
  • Prereleased halfway through The Fingers and then again a week later doing the chute next to McConkeys at Palisades last year.
  
  
• Stack Height - My friend n I have the exact same skis - 4FRNT MSP 99. His have Pivots on them, mine have KneeBinding. I tried his on a few runs last year. I was surprised that I could actually feel a difference in power and between the two. When I went back to my KneeBindings felt like i was riding on top of a brick between me and my ski. Not sure how much of that was placebo though.

So, I am looking to replace my KneeBinding to fix these issues but maintain the safety I deem necessary. Enter the Tyrolia Protector.

Wondering if anyone has experience with both could weigh in here?

There are a few good reviews of the Protector but don't really comment on how they feel compared to KneeBinding.

• https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...one-Ski-It-Yet
• https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...tack-13-review

Would like to dissuade the folks from replying that are going to say 'Get pivots, they offer the knee protection with their swivel heel cup' (which simply isn't true) or 'SkI bEtTeR bRo'.

Thanks Y'all

[gregL]

Howdy Folks,

After riding my skis with KneeBinding for 10ish days for 3 seasons, I am looking for a replacement. The main two things that are causing me to look for a new binding are prerelease and stack height. They are difficult to clip in, but I don't mind.

• Prerelease - difficult to really pinpoint. Not sure if its the 'innovative' heel piece that is opening up early, or perhaps they bindings were mounted a bit too far apart and popping out, or something else. They definitely feel 'looser' this past winter on a pair of new skis. The heel piece definitely jiggles a bit when boot is not clipped in. So, in some capacity, not sure if they were mounted poorly, forward pressure is wrong, theyre getting old, or what's happening.
  
  • Prereleased halfway through The Fingers and then again a week later doing the chute next to McConkeys at Palisades last year.
  
  
• Stack Height - My friend n I have the exact same skis - 4FRNT MSP 99. His have Pivots on them, mine have KneeBinding. I tried his on a few runs last year. I was surprised that I could actually feel a difference in power and between the two. When I went back to my KneeBindings felt like i was riding on top of a brick between me and my ski. Not sure how much of that was placebo though.

So, I am looking to replace my KneeBinding to fix these issues but maintain the safety I deem necessary. Enter the Tyrolia Protector.

Wondering if anyone has experience with both could weigh in here?

There are a few good reviews of the Protector but don't really comment on how they feel compared to KneeBinding.

• https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...one-Ski-It-Yet
• https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...tack-13-review

Would like to dissuade the folks from replying that are going to say 'Get pivots, they offer the knee protection with their swivel heel cup' (which simply isn't true) or 'SkI bEtTeR bRo'.

Thanks Y'all

What is the stack height in millimeters (and the delta while you've got the ruler out)?

[topher23]

What is the stack height in millimeters (and the delta while you've got the ruler out)?

Traveling for the holiday so can't get the ruler out. But according to the KneeBinding official website the stand height is 26mm-32mm. According to the Tyrolia website, the stand height is 28-33.5mm.

So they're basically the same?

[TurxSki]

Howdy folks...
...Prereleased halfway through The Fingers and then again a week later doing the chute next to McConkeys at Palisades last year....

I'd wager dollars to donuts that virtually *nobody* on here uses knee-bindings...that should tell you something.
Also, you don't kneed to wag your cock, just ask your question.
But if hitting gnar lines, then yes sounds like wrong bindings.
Or wrong focus. (Wonder if you wear a helmet?)


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[gregL]

Traveling for the holiday so can't get the ruler out. But according to the KneeBinding official website the stand height is 26mm-32mm. According to the Tyrolia website, the stand height is 28-33.5mm.

So they're basically the same?

That means the Tyrolia Protector is no lower - the pair I saw a couple weeks ago with a Salomon GripWalk sole in them were 30mm at the toe and 34mm at the heel.

[BC.]

I'd wager dollars to donuts that virtually *nobody* on here uses knee-bindings...that should tell you something.


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^^This, and after installing a bunch at the shop over the past few years….I definitely would not. Those things are tanks…..and a pain in the ass install. Whenever I saw them on “my to-do list of the day”….I always pushed them to the end of the line”.

[stuckathuntermtn]

Tyrolia has had some form of pivoting heel for ages. The old one didn't pivot until after it started release but it almost felt like it did something. The original version, iirc, didn't have a guide so something tells me they realized they needed that after a couple years because I never saw that many of the guideless ones, but you could turn them with your hand easily. Hope those Protectors have some kind of adjustment or they're back to the old bindings. Maybe it doesn't move very far? In that case, it's more like a Pivot.
Also not loving how they got rid of the original Mojo/LD/HD toe. Everything not Attack just looks like the SL toe. It works. It's just...fine.
My 2 cents 🤷🏻♂️

[johnnyg82]

That means the Tyrolia Protector is no lower - the pair I saw a couple weeks ago with a Salomon GripWalk sole in them were 30mm at the toe and 34mm at the heel.

[gregorys]

I'm the author of the 2nd review BTW.
I have several pairs of Knee bindings, though I never mounted any on my skis.
I do have a pair on my daughter's skis and she's never had any problems other than the higher difficulty in step-in.

Now she doesn't ski like I do, and so they won't get nearly as much close attention, or pushed nearly as hard - but they've been fine.

I'm swapping her out to Protectors or Attacks this year, just via the normal retirement/pass-on of skis around here.

However, I was never convinced there was anything really wrong with the Knee binding, but it sure wasn't "popular" and especially so with the "core" skiers. I think the Protector is likely to be less vilified, but still not popular, IMO.

All that said, I don't have personal experience on both - the thing you most wanted. But I can say, the Protector Attack does perfectly fine for anything I've thrown at it, and while I'm not even remotely close to a Tof Henry level skier, I'm not a pansy either. (Tof's dead now too, so there's that. RIP Tof.) Stand-height isn't a problem, but perhaps I'm just not that bothered by higher stand-height. It's something that's come up in the Attack1 vs Attack2 demo versions and I can't tell a difference. Delta also seems fine across 2-3 different pairs of boots in both Attack1 vs 2/Protector's.

(This is all about the Attack version, not the PR. I know nothing about the PR - could be good, or bad, I just don't know)

HTH
And hopefully someone who has skied both can chime in here. But since the Protector Attack just became widely available a year ago, it might be difficult to find that elusive case.

[SnowMachine]

Don't rewrite the book. If you're the type of skier crushing the fingers then you'll be fine on the same bindings as the rest of us: STH or Pivot.

See how I flexed there without flexing.

[tenB]

So they pre-release, ski like bricks, and have stand height over 30mm.. but you ski super hard and haven’t taken 5 minutes to check forward pressure yourself?

Get new bindings and watch a youtube video so you can check your own forward pressure, toe height etc

[Bushwacka]

Have like 30 days on pair on some head Supershape E rally.

I do not really yank my skis around and I ma overall a pretty smooth light skier. I run my pivots at 8 and still do not prerelease them. My protectors have been at 10(I din at 10.5 if I put down 3+) and they have not prereleased but I also have released in fall yet....I generally fall with my feet together.

My only real complaint is the ramp angle is brutal with how high the heels are. I am in the process of getting some screws made so I can ski this binding flatter on my supershapes. I am not convinced that I would want to put some of the attack protectors on a non system skis simply because of the ramp angle and buying P15/P18 means I get the ramp angle I want with out shimming and finding very hard to find screws.